Graph of the Day: Rice vs. Dawson

by Sky Kalkman on Mar 20, 2009 12:00 PM EDT

WAR data from Sean's historical WAR database. It's awesome. Each players' seasons sorted from best to worst, left to right.

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Wow I wonder how low we can go until we actually reach Rice's level

by thoran85 on Mar 20, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions

Chuck Knoblauch.

Even then, it’s unfair. Knoblauch has a better career WAR in fewer seasons.

by jwiscarson on Mar 20, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

On this note, I'd like to say

I’m quite surprised to see Lou Brock so low on the career WAR list. Have I missed something, or is he only considered great by traditionalists who love stolen bases?

by jwiscarson on Mar 20, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

he also gets bonus points for excellent performance in the world series.

by larry on Mar 20, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Is this a derisive Knoblauch comment, or a serious Brock comment?

Or a two-fer?

by jwiscarson on Mar 20, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions

certainly wasn’t aimed at chuck, though. brock played very well in 21 games in the postseason, all world series then. i think he OPSed close to 1.100 and stole bases at a high clip. i know voters love postseason performance and it certainly is an important aspect to consider, though 21 games is still pretty small no matter how important the games are. just pointing it out because these WAR things don’t take into account postseason games.

by larry on Mar 20, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I never paid much attention to Brock's case until I joined Baseball Fever.

And then I pretty quickly saw a fairly universal statement that he was borderline at best and a pretty notable mistake at worst, with most people seeming to lean towards the latter.

Though I personally don’t have a problem with putting the stolen base champ in.

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by philkid3 on Mar 22, 2009 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Mark Grace

by Harry Pavlidis on Mar 20, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

So this is basically "He didn't deserve it" post?

He probably didn’t, but still people, it can’t be changed without radical action. Let it go.

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by bdalebs on Mar 20, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions

He's the second worst HOFer on the top 300.

If it went back further, then he likely wouldn’t crack the top 10-20 worst selection. It’s just another example that people can cling to showing how the “old gaurd” is wrong. We get it they made a bad decision. Let’s move on.

by rglass44 on Mar 20, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I think we're over the straight "Rice didn't deserve it" posts.

This is more of a “How does Rice stack up with someone he’s often compared to” post. Heck, one could conclude that Dawson deserves to make it in.

And, honestly, I think it’s best to take the view that these tend to be FYI posts. Here’s the info, make your own conclusions.

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by Sky Kalkman on Mar 21, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

i've often wondered what the standard would be for the HOF if you just asked your average (knowledgeable) baseball fan what they thought it should be.

i’m not sure how such a survey could be conducted without falling into the old “3000 hits, 300 wins” etc. thing. i’m sure, though, that some enterprising survey constucter person (yes, i’m sure that’s the title) could come up with questions that could get at, in an indirect way, how many wins a player would have to be worth to be considered HOF worthy etc. wonder if it would match up or be higher or lower.

by larry on Mar 22, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions