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Pitching WAR Aging Patterns

I decided, along with Sky Kalkman's Bad Contracts discussion, to look into finding a players aging multipliers for WAR and apply them to project a few contracts by selecting a pitcher and seeing what his numbers project to do one year to the next.

 

Note/Disclaimer/Venting Rant: I originally started this endeavor with wanting to look at pitchers (starters and relievers) considered to be regulars and what they did the next year. I decided on 40 innings as being my point of reference for a regular pitcher. I went to Fangraphs and download all the data of pitchers with 40 innings or more. As you can tell, when I went to match the pairs later, I wouldn't catch the pitchers that had less than 40 innings in the second year, but greater than 0. I didn't notice the problem until I was almost done and was looking at my beloved Royals and couldn't find the 2008 numbers on Jimmy Gobble. It was then I relized my error. I decided to go forward with the semi-biased data and might go back later and redo it when I am not so mad at myself.

 

I looked at all the pitchers between 2002 and 2008 that pitched 40 innings in consecutive years. Then I divided the first year by the second year for the Starting, Relief and Total War and also for Starting, Relief and Total innings pitched to get the multiplier factor for each of these factors. Here are the results:

 

Adjustment (going to age): Staring War Starting IP Reilver War Relief IP Total WAR Total Innings Number of Paired Seasons
22 1.38 1.41 1.75 0.90 1.42 1.34 11
23 1.53 1.26 1.10 1.05 1.51 1.23 34
24 1.18 1.16 0.86 1.08 1.12 1.15 72
25 1.17 1.08 1.23 1.01 1.18 1.07 94
26 0.99 1.03 1.25 1.17 1.02 1.05 118
27 1.02 0.98 0.74 1.05 0.98 0.99 132
28 0.99 1.03 1.25 1.17 1.02 1.05 134
29 0.80 0.84 1.05 1.08 0.85 0.89 132
30 0.92 0.99 1.02 1.04 0.94 1.00 141
31 1.03 1.02 0.63 0.94 0.90 1.00 133
32 0.85 0.84 1.14 1.03 0.92 0.90 104
33 0.68 0.82 0.69 1.07 1.04 0.89 86
34 0.84 0.88 0.74 1.05 0.81 0.94 58
35 0.80 0.85 0.73 0.99 0.77 0.90 39
36 0.80 0.91 0.89 1.06 0.81 0.96 19
37 0.80 0.85 0.93 0.90 0.87 0.87 20
38 0.60 0.87 0.74 1.09 0.68 0.98 10

 

There is for sure a lack of data and the extremes, but significant number for reliable numbers from 24 to 34. Here is the graphs of starting and relief WAR for each year:

 

startReliefPitch by you.

 

A few notes I have observed:

  1. Pitchers add to their WAR to ~28 years old and stay fairly level until they begin to decline at age 32.

  2. I averaged the Total WAR values of pitchers that did not reach 40 innings the next year their WAR averaged 0.46.  Replacement level pitchers get replaced.

  3. 70% of all pitchers did not reach the 40 innings from year to year.

 

Star-divide

With this imperfect information, I decided to look at the contracts signed this off season by C.C. Sabathia and A.J. Burnett by the Yankees. I just used there 2008 WAR numbers to base the next year on.  What exact number is used is debatable, but I used 2008 for ease of discussion/calculation. I used the dollar value of the wins from Fangraphs of 4.5M to be paid for each WAR in 2008. I needed to calculate the inflation value for the future. The percent increase in the past was for baseball salaries was ~10%. I decided to go a little more conservative consider the economy and went with 7%. Here are the two pitchers:

 

Name Amount of Contract (Millions) Years of Contract Amount per Year
C.C. Sabathia $161.00 7 $23.00 Multiplier Used
1.07
Age Innings Innings Multiplier WAR Starter Multiplier Projected Value of 1WAR Projected Amount of Value (millions)
28 353 7.7 4.5
29 296.37 0.84 6.19 0.8 4.82 $29.83
30 293.63 0.99 5.68 0.92 5.15 $29.24
31 299.3 1.02 5.85 1.03 5.51 $32.25
32 251.94 0.84 4.95 0.85 5.9 $29.18
33 205.83 0.82 3.38 0.68 6.31 $21.31
34 180.27 0.88 2.85 0.84 6.75 $19.26
35 152.53 0.85 2.27 0.8 7.23 $16.43
Total War = 31.17 Estimate Value of contract = $177.50
Value with constant value for WAR (4.5M) = $140.26

 

 

Name Amount of Contract (Millions) Contract Length (Years) Amount per year
A.J. Burnett $82.50 5 $16.50 Multiplier Used
1.07
Age Innings Innings Multiplier WAR Starter Multiplier Projected Value of 1WAR Projected Amount of Value
32 220 5.7 4.5
33 196.51 0.89 3.89 0.68 4.82 $18.73
34 184.26 0.94 3.29 0.84 5.15 $16.93
35 166.68 0.9 2.62 0.8 5.51 $14.45
36 160.51 0.96 2.09 0.8 5.9 $12.34
37 139.83 0.87 1.68 0.8 6.31 $10.59
Total War = 13.57 Estimate Value of contract = $73.04
Value with constant value for WAR (4.5M) = $61.05

 

As you can see C.C.'s contract doesn't look like a good deal with today's prices ($140M vice $161M) , but when you take inflation into consideration, it doesn't look as bad ($177M vice $161M). A.J.'s on the other hand doesn't look like a good deal for the Yankees either way ($61M/$73M vice $82.5M).

Let me know if you have any questions/commnets and remember to double check your data.

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a dead squirrel

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Mar 15, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at some numbers:

With him averaging ~3 WAR going into the contract, he would have regressed some, but not as fast as he had. Before he starting pitching as “a dead squirrel” he was to be projected to be worth: ~68M over the life of his contract, but since he had about 1 WAR last year and about .3 WAR predicted for this year, he is only going to be worth ~10M over the life of the contract.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 16, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sky -- I was thinking the same thing

I am thinking of going back and looking to see which pitchers die of soon based on weight/height relationship and if they are a power/control pitcher.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 16, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Age 29

To what do you attribute the severe dropoff for starters at 29? Doesn’t seem like it’s due to small sample size. Could it be caused by an unusually high number of under 40 IP pitchers? Did you consider a different cutoff for starters?

by fjm235 on Mar 22, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

At age 29 is when most players, batters and pitchers begin to drop off.

Here is the work Tom Tango on other attributes dropping at the same time. link

Also with my own work, I found that any pitcher that pitches 160 innings in any season is out of baseball on average by the time they are 32.

Everything I found makes perfect sense to me.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Mar 22, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes sense to me, too

injury attrition alone gives that number intuitive force

Bringing you more-or-less replacement level analysis and commentary to Driveline Mechanics and elsewhere since sometime in 2008.

by Matt Klaassen on Mar 23, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

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