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"Reggie Abercrombie, Houston, .301 wOBA
Corey Patterson, Washington, .304 wOBA
Chris Duffy, Milwaukee, .313 wOBA
Jason Ellison, Philadelphia, .298 wOBA
Ryan Langerhans, Washington, .330 wOBA
Scott Podsednik, Colorado, .305 wOBA
So Taguchi, Chicago (NL), .291 wOBA

This group is -12 offensively, and considering they’re mostly above average defenders, we might have our first deviation from the norm. With a +2.5 position adjustment for CF, these guys would have to be something like -10 defenders in center field to be two wins below average. But there’s no way to make that argument - Patterson, Abercrombie, Duffy, Ellison - these guys are good defenders.

So, teams apparently value center fielders if they can hit well. But as soon as a CF, even as a plus defender, shows that he’s not a great hitter, he gets discarded.

It’s interesting, however, that we didn’t see this at SS or 2B. There’s not a glut of premium defensive middle infielders available for nothing. So, defense up the middle is valued a lot more for IF than OF? Sounds plausible."

I combined quotes from Dave Cameron's article and what he said in the comments.

9 months ago Limes_125_tiny Sky Kalkman 2 comments 0 recs  | 

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I don’t think those guys are perceived as plus CF defenders. Plus defenders on the corners, sure, but there’s a reason half those guys spend more time playing corner OF than CF.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Feb 5, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dave qposted UZR data for these guys in CF.

Jason Ellison – 670 innings in CF, +16.8 UZR/150
Corey Patterson – 7,500 innings in CF, +8.6 UZR/150
So Taguchi – 1,275 innings in CF, +6.8 UZR/150
Chris Duffy – 1,450 innings in CF, +6.2 UZR/150
Reggie Abercrombie – 792 innings in CF, +0.2 UZR/150
Ryan Langerhans – 480 innings in CF, -3.7 UZR/150
Scott Podsednik – 2,739 innings in CF, -7.6 UZR/150

However, the point remains that even if they are average fielders, they’re still 1 WAR as a group per 700 PAs, not 0 WAR as you’d expect.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 6, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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