Beyond the Box Score: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook

Tom Glavine - The Great Plate Avoider

In Glavine's return to Atlanta, his long-held belief that the strike zone is for losers (or guys with better stuff) held firm.  No one* threw less strikes in 2008 than Tom Glavine.   He also managed to avoid the prime hitting area** "better" than anyone else in the majors, too.

*the comparison sample for this piece includes all pitchers with 500+ pitches recorded by PITCHf/x in 2008

** the middle 8 inches of the plate + the next four inches inside (AKA fatins).

Glavine01_medium

Over 100 pitches, Glavine threw about 18 more balls out of the zone than an average pitcher.  He threw 17 less pitches down the pipe.

Slicing and Dicing

Let's slice that up another way - to be in a "slice", the ball can't be high or low out of the zone. I'll drill in below, but, for now, here's "out", "fat" and "in".  Fat is part of the FatIns above, but here, In and Out will cover balls and strikes.

Star-divide

 

Glavine02_medium

Glavine does tend to work away out of the zone, amongst the most extreme in the baseball, but not all the way to the outer limits (AKA Livan Hernandez).  Here's another look, each slice is shown now.

Glavine03_medium
Glavine likes that outside edge, as we all know.  The "edge"is the last inch of the plate, plus a region off the plate that is typically viewed by batters and umpires as strikes.  The "sides" are those 4 inches just out and in from the "fat".

Even more notable than the outside nibbling, is the lack of fat and sides - both of them.  The for hitting the middle three slices is around 38%, while Glavine only goes there about 19% of the time - essentially, half as often.

Pitch Types

Glavine is primarily a fastball (FA) and change-up (CH) artist, but he mixed in a few dozen other pitches - sliders (SL), cutters (FC) and curves (CU). With the two primary pitches, Glavine, as you'd expect, follows his overall pattern with little deviation.

Glavine04_medium

He may sneak in a little with the change, but the fastball is away, away and away.

Now, throw in the other three pitches, and you'll see the slider works about the same way as the first two, but the cutter and curve do not.

Glavine05_medium

He'll throw the curve over the plate, and go inside with the cutter.  Other than that, Glavine stays away and/or out of the zone like nobody else in the game.

1 recs  |  Comment 13 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Awesome stuff.

I like seeing a few pitches’ or a few pitchers’ distributions by location.

I think it would be really useful to see everything broken out by batter handedness, as throwing a slider inside to lefties isn’t the same as inside to righties from a lefty pitcher. I have a feeling he uses certain pitches in different ways/locations depending on the handedness of the batter.

I especially wonder if Glavine throws the cutter against only one handedness and the slider against another, probably cutter against righties, which makes sense because cutters tend to get pounded inside. It looks like it’s going to tail over the plate to them, but continues inside, which is what the chart shows. Sliders against lefties would be thrown to look like fat fastball, but slide to the outside.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 24, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

Splits

Sample sizes, first

CH L 112
CU L 7
FA L 193
FC L 5
SL L 15

CH R 320
CU R 6
FA R 351
FC R 21
SL R 7

Gather your grains of salt, OK?

by Harry Pavlidis on Feb 24, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, yeah, that'll do, Harry.

Glavine didn’t throw many sliders or cutters, but my hunch about their uses against L/R was right.

Are your flight-path graphs easy to generate? Would be nice to see how his pitches compare in flight, mostly fast/cutter/slider, and maybe change.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 24, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, Scotty, enough out of you.

Slider and cutter seem to break the same, interestingly enough. Maybe slider just a bit more. Interesting that the cutter is more to the right side of the plate (he pumps righties more inside than he does lefties outside with the breaking stuff.) Fastball and change are exactly the same but different speed. I’m thinking that’s a good thing.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 24, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

SL/FC CH/FA

 the cutter is faster (longer) and the slider has a bit of a hump. The change just comes along like the heat and drops on ya.

by Harry Pavlidis on Feb 24, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This is terrific stuff

You just can’t find this anywhere else. I’d love to be able to do stuff like this over at VEB.

by chuckb on Feb 24, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions  

that'd be great

I’ll front-page it if you do, especially since my post/comments came from your Perez piece ;)

by chuckb on Feb 24, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This is fantastic work, Harry. Really good job here.

by xanthan on Feb 24, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

We use numbers and stuff.
Community Guidelines
Why be a member?
Start posting on Beyond the Box Score »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

Connect_with_facebook

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
FIP is a Garbage Statistic
Jeter_400_101709_small
Scarier opponent come October?
Ghanafan03_741584gm-a_small
Los Angeles Angels trade for Dan Haren
Pedoria1_small
Pointing Fingers: Rollie Fingers and WAR
Small
Rajai Davis versus Gabe Gross
Small
Year of the Pitcher
Sealab_murphy_small
Prospect Surplus Value
T-rex_small
Saberizing a Mac, revisited
Small
How do you use splits?
Sealab_murphy_small
My Wang Problem

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Sign up for the BtB Newsletter!

BtB on Facebook

BtB on Twitter

RSS Feed: @BtBScore

Sky: @BtB_Sky

Jeff: @jeffwzimmerman
Steve: @steve_sommer
Dan: @dturkenk
Harry: @harrypav
Jinaz: @jinazreds
Jack: @jh_moore
Tommy R: @trancel
Justin: @justinbopp
Satchel: @SatchelPrice
Adam: @baseballtwit
Larry: @wezen_ball
Peter: @CapitolAvenue
Paul: @TheDiaTribe
Daniel: @CamdenCrazies
Matt: @devil_fingers

SBNation.com Recent Stories

ST. LOUIS - MAY 18:  Ryan Ludwick #47 of the St. Louis Cardinals rounds third base after hitting a game-winning homerun against the Washington Nationals at Busch Stadium on May 18, 2010 in St. Louis, Missouri.  The Cardinals beat the Nationals 3-2.  (Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images) +3 updates

Padres, Cardinals, Indians Complete Three-Way Trade Involving Ryan Ludwick, Jake Westbrook

SEATTLE - JULY 08:  Alex Rodriguez #13 of the New York Yankees hits an RBI single in the ninth inning to give the Yankees a 3-1 lead against the Seattle Mariners at Safeco Field on July 8 2010 in Seattle Washington. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images) +16 updates

Yankees' 9th-Inning Win Completely Overshadowed By A-Rod's Ongoing Homer Drought

Colorado Rockies' Carlos Gonzalez is congratulated by teammates after his walk-off home run against the Chicago Cubs in the ninth inning of a baseball game at Coors Field in Denver, Colo. on Saturday, July 31, 2010.  (AP Photo/ Matt McClain)

Carlos Gonzalez Completes Cycle With Walk-Off Homer; Rockies Beat Cubs, 6-5

More from SBNation.com >


Managers

Limes_125_small Sky Kalkman

Wbc_029_small Jeff Sullivan

Editors

Rawlings_baseball_bigger_small Dan Turkenkopf

Dayton_small Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal)

Aviles_small Justin Bopp

Paige_small Satchel Price

Authors

Jinaz-reds-avatar_small JinAZ

Face_small Harry Pavlidis

Newavatar_small Matt Klaassen

Wezenball-logo_small lar

Big_pun--300x300_small Tommy Rancel

Adam_small adarowski

Redcap_small SFiercex4

St_louis_cardinals_ce1141_003263_small stevesommer05

Small garik16

Julio_teheran_2_small PWHjort

Cclogo_small Daniel Moroz

Closeup4_small J-Doug

Nick_cage_small The DiaTriber