Graph of the Day: Best Non-Arod Shortstop Seasons Since '02

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2009 9:00 AM EST Comment 25 comments

WAR data from Fangraphs.

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How dare you point out that Derek Jeter is actually pretty good

this is the internet, after all

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

2006 was great..

but tack on these last two years and that graph will look like a Cingular commercial

What's on my mind

by Jason Collette on Feb 18, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

who would have thought a player would decline in his mid-30s

unprecedented

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

fewer bars where you need them most?

I'm starting to like our bullpen......Wuertz and all.

by scatterbrian on Feb 18, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I still can't figure out if Jeter is over or underrated

I seem him as the prototypical #2 hitter. An aggressive contact hitter with an inside out swing that gets him a lot of base hits to right….defense is certainly less than stellar

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by MJMars on Feb 18, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jeter's a leadoff hitter with that contact rate.

He’s had 20+ GIDPs the last two years. You actually want a high-K guy second.

Jeter’s offensive strengths are his OBP and baserunning skills. Hello, leadoff.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I have been thinking the same thing

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That team is going to be a station to station group anyhow so let Jeter get on base for others to knock him in. He’ll be lucky to have 15 SBs at this stage of his career but he could score 120 runs leading off behind that group of hitters.

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by Jason Collette on Feb 18, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The bigger question is who should hit second

Teixeira or A-Rod?

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Depends where you need Tex to break up lefties or righties in sequence.

Pretty similar hitters. I could see Swisher up there eventually, perhaps.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You'd start him over Nady?

/most idiotic debate ever

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jeter hits for two high of an average to hit leadoff

he should be hitting third

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 18, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

*too

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 18, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that would be a better choice than second for him

except that the 3rd spot sees the most double play situations, and his GDPs like crazy

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Right, and you want some power from a third-hole hitter.

Given that the top five hitters on the team should bat 1-5, why would you put Jeter over any of them in the 3-5 hole? That would be Tex/ARod/Matsui/(Swisher/Nady if they live up to potential) territory.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I think Swisher is a better hitter than Matsui or Nady

but whatever

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder how much the list would change

if different defensive metrics were substituted

by ol Pete on Feb 18, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

http://www.brewcrewball.com/2009/1/19/728411/hart-sanchez#11611268

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually this is better

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, the writing and reasoning are bad.

by ol Pete on Feb 18, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of what you are referencing.

I’m just directing people towards your views on UZR and modern player evaluation. If they feel the need to investigate, they can do so.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, let's be a bit more constructive.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he's referring to me?

You only wrote:

WAR data from Fangraphs.

Pretty good writing and reasoning in my opinion.

I don’t hold my comments to the literary standard I do my front-page posts, and that one was inspired by me hearing the same objection to the same statistics time and time again. That thread is preserved so whenever this argument is brought up, I just point in that direction to avoid moving a thread away from the topic and taking away from the conversation, which unfortunately has happened anyway due to an unclear, negative comment.

Regardless, interesting graph once again. Hanley Ramirez is really good.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs