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BoaB: Pat Burrell Division Draft

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This is the draft thread for the Pat Burrell Division draft.  Jeff (TucsonRoyal) is in charge, and rumor has it he has quite the temper so control yourselves.  The randomly chosen draft order is below, and it will go in reverse order during even numbered rounds.  For discussion and trash talking please use the separate FanPost.  Rules are laid out here.

  1. Markakis and Wieters 4 Life
  2. TucsonRoyal
  3. philkid3
  4. MatthewA
  5. oldjacket
  6. vivaelpujols
  7. acblue
  8. viktor06
  9. Jason Collette
  10. NYRoyal
  11. Marc Normandin
  12. Daniel Berlyn

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I not that bad, well maybe.

Go ahead and begin, but Markis is not actually on the clock until Tuesday morning at 9am EST. Also, for a comment on a pick, put up the comment like:
Round X Pick X Name Team Position Salary
e.g.
Round 1 Pick 1 Jose Guillen Royals OF 12 million

Lets say once we get within ~15 million left, some should verify salary after each pick. I will after a round or two, set up a Google spreadsheet showing the picks, unless someone does it before it

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 15, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

So, officially, as of 9:00 am, EST, TusconRoyal (Jeff) is on the clock, right?

And then has until 1:00 am, EST to make his pick, right?

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 15, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions  

nothing offical til Tuesday at 9:00 am in case someone doesn't have access

I am going to pick Dustin P. Let me get the salary info and I will post it.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 15, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

vivaelpujols is on the clock until 1PM on Tuesday

Also, here is a link to the web spread sheets. I have the day off today, so I might be able to keep up better today, but in the future, I will try to update at least once a day.

Link

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 16, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Round 1 Pick 10 B.J. Upton TB Rays OF $0.45331M

This represents a 10% raise for this pre-arbitration player, which I believe is how we decided to handle the salaries of such players who have not yet signed their 2009 contract.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

hmmm....

who is copying whom here?

Bringing you more-or-less replacement level analysis and commentary since sometime in 2008.

by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured you were both using the same sheet..

… I hadn’t been posting at Royal’s nation long enough to get the same list.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 17, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You copied me!

(and used a time machine to do so). I’m happy to get the other league’s #1 overall with my league’s #10. I win! But I may be peaking too soon…

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

swear words

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 17, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Daniel Berlyn has to 6:15 to make a pick

Also, if you know you might be a while on a pick, let us know so we know when to check back

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 17, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a fan of being auto-skipped if one has any outstanding picks.

At the very least I don’t think the swing picks should get 4 more hours if they haven’t made a pick yet.

And That Happened: Sports with a Hint of Sarcasm

by philkid3 on Feb 17, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think everyone should get 4 hours for each pick

I don’t think the guys at the ends should be punished for being at the ends. If an end guy makes a mistake and misses his 4-hour window, he shouldn’t be doubly punished by getting double skipped.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's cool

Just my opinion. It’s good that we’re keeping things moving.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's my opinion that 4 hours for each pick is fair

I see it the same way as NYRoyal. It so happens that I didn’t get totally screwed because of it, but it’s like getting skipped for two picks in my case.

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 17, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, if I were you Daniel, I'd hurry up and make those picks

You can make them at any time. And if you make them now, you’ll only have been bumped by two spots.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 18, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand

I guess I just have to be more careful than others

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

are we done for the day?

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 17, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Technically until 9 pm

But then I think people can keep going, but the four-hour clock pauses until 9:00 am. If people want to continue making picks after 9:00 pm, they definitely should.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 17, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

wouldn't it be pick 15

considering my two picks will be 12 and 13 and Marc’s would be 14? bleh

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't sure how to number them

It’s the 15th slot, but the 13th player actually picked.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 18, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Jason Collette

Tuscon says it will likely come late morningish.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 18, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry....

I checked last night at 9 and didn’t see it was my turn.

I keep a very busy work schedule so when it is my turn, someone please email me at and I’ll make my pick as soon as I can get to my computer. I’m getting ready to fly now and will be offline until much later tonight. The next two days are pretty slammed as well.

If I’m going to be a big problem and there is an alternate, I’ll let them take over but this week is terrible for me.

Pick in a few minutes

What's on my mind

by Jason Collette on Feb 18, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

--- Correction ----

4.1 — 3 base and 1.1 in bonus

I will enter this number unless someone sees something different

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 18, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It says 1.1M paid 4/2010

So I’d assume that would be part of the 2010 salary for our purposes?

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by Jack Moore on Feb 18, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops, yeah.

I was looking at 2010’s salary.

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 18, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

oldjacket has til 7:25EST to make a choice

If anyone has an idea to speed up the draft let me know. We should aim for at least 2 rounds a day and are barely getting 1.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 18, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Round 2 pick 21 James Shields P $1.5 Million

Thanks for making that decision for me, oldjacket.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 18, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Yup, that’s who I was deciding between, too.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 18, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Round 3, Pick 26: Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis (16 M)

Serious gamble, but I’ve spent the last hour working out if I can afford it and the odds are extremely good I can do so with my next pick and still get a player I would have wanted anyway.

And That Happened: Sports with a Hint of Sarcasm

by philkid3 on Feb 18, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

meh

I may have done this with my third pick, too.

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

break this guy’s budget!

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 18, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like Collette is on till 1 est

I emailed him – hope he check more regularly

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 19, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

Round 3 Pick 32 Jacoby Ellsbury OF Bos 0.45m

Thanks for the email…..I’m buried in strategy meetings all day for work so I need the email to let me know when to sneak out :)

What's on my mind

by Jason Collette on Feb 19, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Next pick is Round 3 Pick 34

we messed up the order at the beginning of round 3

by viktor06 on Feb 19, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

NYRoyal is on til 3 EST

Does anyone have an objection to moving the time limit down to 2 hours or should it stay at 4?

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 19, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

fine with me

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 19, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we should stick with 4 hours

That’s what we all agreed to at the beginning when we signed up. Some of us really need a window of that size from time to time.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

4 Hours or bust.

Pretty much agree with NY Royal.

If this really starts to drag, we should consider bumping it down to 3 hours to see if it speeds things up. But when the draft’s moving, you don’t notice the 4 hour windows so much. But going from 4 to 2 right now seems unnecessary at this point.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

OK -- I was just looking back at the times

and it seems that rarely anyone violated a 2 hour window unless they were pushing the 4 hour window.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 19, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Round 3 pick 35 Chipper Jones 3B $9.5M

He’s making between $8M and $11M this year based on “undisclosed bonuses”. Does splitting it down the middle at $9.5M make sense?

by Marc Normandin on Feb 19, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Bengie Molina/ Steve Phillips Division

slow n’ spendy

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 19, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

My young guys need some veteran leadership, and obviously that costs money. :-)

by Marc Normandin on Feb 19, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

in the Ellis draft

someone said that whatever his option was, it was vested, so he’s at 11m

by jfranco77 on Feb 19, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"Clearly better"

But will Joba get more WAR? Only if he’s in the rotation for the vast majority of the year, which continues to remain an open question.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Bet big, win big

I hear you. I’m just saying that it’s hard to say “clearly” with Joba given his uncertain usage.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was saying pure talent actually

And I thouhgt it OK to take a risk when he is talking 400K or so…

by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Feb 19, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying it was a bad pick at all

Risks are the kind of thing that help to take you to the top or the bottom. If you’ve got the cajones for it, go for it.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

Did I stumble into the trash talking thread by accident?

by Marc Normandin on Feb 19, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

acblue is on the clock, right?

I was briefly confused when I saw Daniel Berlyn making picks, but then remembered he’s making up for missed ones and that viktor06 had the last pick in order.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 19, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a reminder: we don't need to stop after 9:00 pm

I know some of us just won’t be able to make picks after 9 pm and before 9 am. But I don’t want anyone to think that the draft is supposed to stop during that 12-hour period. It can go on as long as people are willing to make picks. The 4-hour clock pauses, so no one is forced to make picks, but it would sure be nice if people would continue making picks at night if they have the opportunity to do so. The other division has gotten through most of a round this evening, while we’ve largely been on pause. It would be great if we could make more evening/night picks and keep this draft from going three weeks or more.

[BTW, this isn’t a complaint about the guy who is currently up, vivapujols, or anyone else. We all have schedules and things to do. It’s just an open plea to my division to consider more nighttime picks.]

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

Round 4, Pick 50: 2B Kelly Johnson, ATL (2.825 M)

I was totally ready with that pick, just kind’ve zoned out. Sorry if I held anyone up 20 minutes.

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by philkid3 on Feb 20, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Round 5 pick 50 Andre Ethier Dodgers OF 3.1M

I will get the comments in order — Also I don’t expect it wot get back to me today, but if it does this weekend email me at jzimmerman at jigsawtech dot com and I will make my pick asap.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 20, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

lol

For reasons that matter just for looks, whoever picks next: you’re actually 52.

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by philkid3 on Feb 20, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

well, that makes things easier

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 20, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

But if Gordon had fallen to me this round, I think he would have been a good value pick, even without my fanboy bias. So far I’ve managed to avoid my desire to draft Greinke. I’m pretty sure someone will end up taking Soria before me too. But Guillen’s going to be all mine.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 20, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know how long I can afford to wait for him

Hopefully he’ll fall to me in the 8th round. [fingers crossed]

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 21, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I fear this is how this is the draft is going to be on weekends.

But the clock doesn’t stop. People will continue to be skipped as they miss their windows. But this is really slowing things down. I think averaging one round a day is now a pipe dream. So there’s little chance we’ll be done with this marathon in 25 days (good lord). Think we can get it done by opening day?

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 21, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Round 6 Pick 65 Chase Utley 2B Philadelphia $11 M

award bonus: $0.1M each for WS MVP, MVP ($75,000 for 2nd, $50,000 for 3rd); $50,000 each for LCS MVP, All Star selection, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, TSN/BA/AP All Star

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

/pushes chips to center of table

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 21, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That's bold

I approve. I actually think that’s a better pick than Pujols, given the money. Even with this injury that some people appear to be worried about.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 21, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate high risk, high reward moves

As I’ve said elsewhere in these BoaB threads. I can’t argue against it. If you’re willing to take the risk, it’s the kind of thing that can win you the championship. I’m just too risk averse in these drafts to make that kind of jump. And, having never done any WAR & salary based draft before, I have no idea how this will pan out. Will having a lot of money left be really useful in the middle rounds? Or will there just be mediocre talent left then which can be had for little money? I really don’t know.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 21, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I think that the last 10 round will all be on relievers or bench players

So it will mainly be guys who are making the minimum or close to it who have some value.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 21, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought there were no benches

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Feb 21, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a 25 man roster

So I assume that they are. Yep:

25-man rosters consisting of 13 offensive players (2 CA, 1B, 3B, 1B/3B, 2B, SS, 2B/SS, 4 OF, and a UT), six starters, and six relievers. LF/CF/RF are NOT separate positions.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 21, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It's semantics on "beches"

There are no reserves/benches like in regular fantasy leagues. But with 13 offensive players, you can have some scrubs that don’t get a lot of PAs if you think you can hit 6500 PAs with fewer players who should play full time. Those scrubs would be your “bench players”.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 21, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

gotcha

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Feb 21, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So don’t draft Ross Gload.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 21, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Collette was OTC until 8:01 EST. HIs four hours are up and now Viktor is OTC until 12:01 pm EST Sunday. Jason can make his pick at any time.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 21, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 22, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Round 6 Pick 65 Chris Davis 3B .390 Million

He played 31 games at third last year, so I assume that he qualifies.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 22, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

He was actually good at first last year

I’m banking that he will be around average there. And then of course there is this.

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by vivaelpujols on Feb 23, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

His OBP could really hurt his WAR

CHONE projects a .316 OBP. ZiPS says .309.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 23, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But check out Bill James.

Then again, he is also the guy who projects Weiters and Max Ramirez to have .400+ wOBAs. Also do CHONE and Zips include park factors, because hitting in Texas definitely pads you stats.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 24, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Bill James seems inflated almost across the board

I know CHONE includes park and league factors. I don’t know for sure about ZiPS, but I’d be shocked if it didn’t.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

Bill James projects something close to a .345 league average wOBA, so he is obviously way too optimistic.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 24, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Round 6 Pick 66 Mark Reynolds, 3B, AZ 0.44m

clock runs over the weekend? Brutal…..some of us do have a life to live :) Davis was going to be my choice here….

What's on my mind

by Jason Collette on Feb 22, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Round 7 Pick 73 (makeup for missed pick from Round 6) Ryan Ludwick OF STL 3.7 million

Also, my internet is being really annoying, so for the rest of today and tomorrow (my days off) feel free to skip me after I’ve been on the clock for an hour. Not fair for me to hold everything up.

by Aaron Campeau on Feb 22, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

will get exact info in a bit

But I take kevin Youkilous and Justin Verlander with my two picks

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 22, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Round 7 Pick 77 Elijah Dukes WAS OF $431,750

Why not, right?

Couldn’t find his ’09 contract number (he resigned on 2/14), so just did the add 10% rule.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 22, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Round 7 Pick 78 Joe Mauer MIN C 10.5 Mil

Here’s hoping that his hamstrings stay intact.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 23, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

Groundball pitcher

with Scott Rolen, Marco Scuturo/John McDonald, Aaron Hill and Lyle Overbay in the infield. Good pick.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 23, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Round 8 Pick 87 Mike Pelfrey SP NYN $1.3125M

And draft I will. Maybe I should just go twice all of the time ;-)

by Marc Normandin on Feb 23, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Actually...

This $3.5M signing bonus is from his first contract after being drafted. Didn’t he already receive this $3.5M?

by Marc Normandin on Feb 23, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's his draft signing bonus

and although it’s not a typical contract for a draftee, I think you would need to include Wieters’ 6MM and Price’s 10MM bonuses if you include Pelfrey’s 3.5.

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by Sam Page on Feb 23, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, this is a bit different

This was his draft signing bonus, but it was also the signing bonus for a multi-year major league contract.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 23, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So what's the verdict?

Because I don’t think Pelfrey should be singled out for that one, given it’s a draft signing bonus just like the others.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 23, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Mostly meaning

I don’t mind paying, but that means everyone else has to pay too :-)

by Marc Normandin on Feb 23, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the question is how we handle hybrid cases like Pelfrey’s. We have one rule which says that MLB contract bonuses are counted on a prorated basis. We have another rule which says that draft signing bonuses aren’t counted. In this case, Pelfrey’s bonus covers both rules. And I believe this is the first player we have drafted who has such a bonus (both draft signing bonus and MLB contract bonus).

If I understand the power structure correctly, Sky hands down the verdicts.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 23, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

In my mind, his signing bonus is a draftee signing bonus, not part of a free agent contract.

It’s a hazy situation, for sure. If you’re giving me the choice, the Pelfrey bonus doesn’t count. But it might be best to discuss it as a draft group.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 24, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Free agency is irrelevant

(and this is going by what has been discussed and agreed to in prior threads, like the first BoaB thread). It was decided that contract signing bonuses would be counted on a prorated basis. And this wasn’t just for FA contracts. No one ever said anything about FA’s. It covers long-term deal for a team’s current player, such as Youkilis’s contract, which inludes a $1M signing bonus.

But it is definitely a hazy situation. I think we’ve discussed it. If you want to say that any bonus a draftee gets, regardless of contract, is excluded from 2009 salary for this draft, I’m cool with it.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Free agent was a bad choice of words.

I agree, it’s hazy.

What was the wording of the “rule” not counting draftee signing bonuses?

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 24, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t find the particular thread where the draft signing bonus thing was discussed.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

DAMN

After my last pick, I figured I could afford him. He was easily my next pick if he was there.

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by philkid3 on Feb 23, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

As we are starting to run out of starting positions to fill

…I thought it would be a good time to spend some money on a 5+ WAR player. To some degree, I’ll pay for it in the coming rounds. We’ll see how much it ends up hurting.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 23, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI, Jason Collette is on the clock until 10:29 am tomorrow

But maybe we can get some picks in this evening/night.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 23, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry...

I’m a pain in the ass but my week is insanely busy so without an email prompt, I don’t know where we are. I’m doing 17 hr days right now for work and traveling. Otis sent me an email and here’s my break to make the pick. I’m co-chairing some meetings so I can’t duck out to make picks :)

What's on my mind

by Jason Collette on Feb 24, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

vivapujols is on the clock until 6:53 pm, EST

It seems like in the second week of this draft, our picks have really slowed down. Has our interest waned? Is it going to take more than a month to finish this draft?

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

I'm on board, but...

…I am getting concerned. Lack of interest isn’t something that would be fixed by speeding up the time in-between picks (in fact, it could make things worse).

But we’re at less than a round per day now. Methinks we need to try something.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 24, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That hasn't really sped them up much

I believe they are in the same round we are. Unfortunately, the only thing that will really speed up the draft is people making picks more quickly. And people can only do what they can do based on their schedules and degree of interest in keeping on top of this.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking only for myself, it's not an issue of interest having waned at all.

I spent a huge portion of last week recording an album and most of the weekend doing layout and cover art. My internet was also pretty flaky all weekend, but it’s fixed now and things are back to normal for me.

by Aaron Campeau on Feb 24, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Same

Speed isn’t the issue but ease of tracking this one is. My access during the day is quite limited….its unfortunate we couldn’t set this up in couchmanagers.com which emails you when your pick is up and you can customize the rosters to our needs. This late into the game, we’d all have to take turns doing our picks.

If it went to 2 hrs, I’d easily lose interest because I’d get my picks skipped too often

What's on my mind

by Jason Collette on Feb 24, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I really think that's a smart move.

It takes a minute to make a pick. But with the system we have set up, it’s being aware that you’re up that’s the hard part.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 24, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I suggested this before

But we all have exchange e-mails. We can either do it here, or have TucsonRoyal send our e-mail addresses out to each other.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

So does this mean that TucsonRoyal is on the clock for his 9th round pick?

I think that’s right, but things got a little confused.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

So Matthew A is only the clock

and Tuscon is eligible to pick whenever. right?

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 24, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

Wait, M&W made is picks at 8:52 pm EST

And those were the last pick of the 8th round and the first pick of the 9th round, right? So then Tucson is up next and he’s on the clock until 12:52 pm Wednesday, right?

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I will figure it out in a few minutes

… just got the kids drugged and the wife boozed up.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 24, 2009 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

M&W and I made our picks too early

If philkid3 wants any of the picks, he should be able to take them. We need to check on the time with the time on the comments. I say philkids3 decides if he wants any of our picks and either me or M&W will make another pick. If it is mine, I am not interest in M&w picks. Any problem with that?

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 24, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

Clearing up the the recent draft shenanigans...

We goofed up the pick # a few rounds ago, and I think it has us messed up a bit. Here’s a cleaned up list of the recent draft picks, starting from where we screwed up the pick #:

philkid3: Round 6, Pick 69: Joakim Soria, RP, Kansas City (1 Million)
*Somehow, Tuscon was skipped here*
M&W: Round 6 Pick 70 Stephen Drew, SS Diamondbacks 1.5 million
M&W: Round 6 Pick 71 Nate McClouth 2 million OF Pirates
acblue: Round 6 Pick 72 Ryan Ludwick OF STL 3.7 million
*makeup for missed pick from Round 6
Tuscon: Round 7 pick 73 1B Red Sox Kevin Youkilis 6.25M
Tuscon: Round 7 pick 74 Justin Verlander P Detroit 3.675M
philkid3: Round 7, pick 75: Jody Gerut, OF, San Diego (1.775 Million)
MatthewA: Round 7 Pick 76 Elijah Dukes WAS OF $431,750
oldjacket: Round 7 Pick 77 Joe Mauer MIN C 10.5 Mil
vivaelpujols: Round 7 Pick 78 Adam Wainwright SP 2.6 Million
acblue: Round 7 Pick 79 Jesse Litsch TOR SP .43538 Million
viktor06: Round 7 Pick 80 Nelson Cruz OF 0.408 Million TEX
Jason Collette: Round 7 Pick 81 Ryan Doumit C/OF Pit, 2.15m
NYRoyal: Round 7 Pick 82 Kevin Slowey P Min $.4345M
Marc Normandin: Round 7 Pick 83 Brandon Phillips 2B CIN $4.75M
*Daniel Berlyn is late for 2 picks***
Marc Normandin: Round 7 Pick 84 Mike Pelfrey SP NYN $1.3125M
NYRoyal: Round 8 Pick 85 Dan Haren P Ari $7.5M
Daniel Berlyn: Round 8 Pick 86 Mike Aviles SS KCR .429 M
*makeup for missed pick at end of round 7
Daniel Berlyn: Round 8 Pick 87 Joe Saunders SP LAA .468 M
*makeup for missed pick at beginning of round 8
*Jason Collette is late for pick*
viktor06: Round 8 Pick 88 Josh Johnson FLA SP 1.4 Million
Jason Collette: Round 8 Pick 89 Wandy Rodriguez HOU 2.6m
***makeup for missed pick
acblue: Round 8 Pick 90 Roy Halladay SP TOR 14.25 Million
vivaelpujols: Round 8 Pick 91 Shane Victorino OF 3.125 Million
oldjacket: Round 8 Pick 92 Justin Upton OF 1.3 Million
MatthewA: Round 8 Pick 93 Mike Napoli LAA C $2 Million

***Here is where things get screwy. philkid3’s pick was skipped here. If philkid3 sticks with Scherzer as his pick here, the draft goes:

philkid3: Round 8, Pick 94 Max Scherzer, SP, Arizona (4.3 Million)
Tuscon: Round 8 Pick 95 Paul Maholm SP Pirates 3.5M
M&W: Round 8 Pick 96 1b James Loney .411 Dodgers 8.92 9.93
M&W: Round 9 Pick 97 SS Jimmy Rollins 7.5 million Phillies
Tuscon: Round 9 Pick 98 Andy Pettite P Yankees 5.5M

…and philkid3 is on the clock. If philkid3 has any objections, please speak now. Otherwise, he’s on the clock now and let’s just pretend this never happened.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 24, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

So, if we're back on track...

Phil is OTC until 1:00 pm, EST Wednesday. And everyone has made up their makeup picks.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Feb 24, 2009 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly.

As long as philkid3 expresses no objections to being skipped, we’re right on schedule.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 24, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries.

Just need to be a bit more careful about making picks.

We each need to:
A) stay on top of the current pick and remember loudly any picks skipped, and
B) try to make picks using Tuscon’s format:

Round X Pick X Name Team Position Salary

Do that and we can hopefully avoid these snafus.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 25, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

And I think the e-mail notification rule should be used too

A little ways up we talked about sending out an e-mail to the next guy after every pick. So it would be great if everyone could get into the habit of making their pick and then immediately e-mailing the next guy in the draft order. Some of us have already posted out e-mail addresses above. It would be great if everyone could do that. That kind of notice might make picks come more quickly.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Feb 25, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

My opinion

If somebody jumps over you and pick out of turn, you have the option of taking the player the drafted and then the skipper has to re-draft, which is what we did here. If you don’t want the player the skipper took, then no harm done.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Feb 25, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Peavy due to make $11 Million this year?

I believe his 2007 Cy Young Award triggered a clause in his contract that ups his 2009 salary to $11 million.

And yeah – was definitely considering Peavy here, too.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 25, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Peavy = $11M
4 years/$14.5M (2005-08), plus 2009 club option
signed extension with San Diego 2/05 (avoided arbitration)
05:$0.75M, 06:$2.5M, 07:$4.75M, 08:$6M, 09:$8M club option ($0.5M buyout)
full no-trade clause 2008-09
2008 salary increases to $6.5M with 600 IP 2005-07
2009 salary increases to $9M with 600 IP in 2006-08, with 200 IP in 2008
2009 salary increases by $0.5M with each top 3 finish in Cy Young vote in 2006-08, with top salary of $11M
2009 salary increases to $11M with Cy Young during 2005-07

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Feb 25, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely misunderstood the wording.

I thought that meant if he won in 2009.

Can I drop him and re-pick like someone did with Kelly Johnson in the other draft?

And That Happened: Sports with a Hint of Sarcasm

by philkid3 on Feb 25, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering Dontrelle?

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Feb 25, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds cool, so I'm guessing they will ; )

It won’t be counted for this league, though.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 25, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Round 9 Pick 101 Jonathan Papelbon SF SP .435 Million

Not paying for pitching FTW!

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 25, 2009 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

oops

copy and paste fail, that’s
Round 9 Pick 101 Jonathan Sanchez SF SP .435 Million

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 25, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Round 9 Pick 104 Manny Parra SP MIL 0.5 Million (?)

Cot’s doesnt list his salary, but he’s not arb. eligible, so I’ll go with 500k.

by viktor06 on Feb 25, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

Normandin sent along his pick...

Round 9 Pick 107 Russell Branyan 1B SEA 1.4 million + .25-.50 in incentives = ~1.65 mil.

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 25, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

Incentives don't count

So it’s just $1.4M.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Feb 25, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anybody have Daniel Berlyn's e-mail

Somebody should let him know that he’s on the clock.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Feb 25, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

Round 10 Pick 110 Justin Duchscherer SP OAK $3.9M

This is a gamble! But hey, if he only throws 120 innings, who cares with our format (except for A’s fans, of course)

by Marc Normandin on Feb 25, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

That was my thinking with Sanchez.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 25, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

vivaelpujos can pick

Make sure you check the time your self. I am messed up in that the draft is in EST, I am in MST and BtB views for me in PST.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 26, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

I thought about taking Broxton, but I’d be tempted to watch him and I seem to be his personal jinx. I’ve watched him throw about 6 innings, and he’s had about a 27 ERA in those six innings.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 26, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame Collette taking Fielder.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 26, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Round 10 Pick 116 "3B" Pablo Sandoval ~.400 Million

salary isn’t on Cot’s but it’s close to MLB minimum.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 26, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

I blame Collette for taking Fielder.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 26, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

was wondering when he would go. Is he going to play 2B or SS this year?

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Feb 26, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

All signs point to SS.

I’m gambling on that not hurting his value too much as he’s a SS by trade, not a 2B.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 26, 2009 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Well he was terrible at second last year

so conventional wisdom means that he will be even worse at short. However, last year may have just been an adjustment period for him, and he may really be much better.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 26, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty much banking on that adjustment.

But I don’t think his bad is so bad that it’ll kill me.

by Matthew Artus on Feb 26, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Tucson and philkid are OTC...

Is there anyone I can email in case Tucson doesn’t pick tonight?

by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Feb 26, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

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