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Are RHB getting the same treatment as LHB on pitches away?

Continuation of my last post on LHB being struck out on pitches away, only this time focusing on RHB.

Last time we learned that LHB have been getting a lot of strikeouts called against them on what appears to be a good few inches outside of the strike zone. What naturally follows, and was asked quite a bit about in the comments section, was how are RHB treated in the same situation? If they're getting the same strike zone at least it can be argued they're being treated equally, even if it's not really correct.

How much are RHB being struck out away?

This much:

2_strike_kc_away_to_rhb_medium

It's 332 times, a little less than 1/2 the amount of Kc to LHB (674) in the same 1+ feet away from the center of home plate. As you can see it's very dense closer to 1, with very few outliers. In fact there's really just one strike that's way out there, almost a good foot away from the end of the strikezone. It's a bit annoying since otherwise the farthest strikeout to a RHB was 1.62 feet away, which line up almost perfectly with my 1.61 number from the LHB experiment. Speaking of which, here's the side-by-side comparison of the two: 2_strike_kc_l-r_medium

Star-divide

I was hoping that lone strike might have just been an error so I investigated it further. Turns out that one strike was actually a ring up of Angels OF Juan Rivera by A's LHP Greg Smith. As an Oakland fan I can only say thanks to the ump for that one. Here it is in picture form:

Lolkc_medium

Little does the ump know that I'm not one to let one called strike three way off the plate get in the way of the symmetry of my study. So I did what any good sabermetrician does when he sees data that doesn't agree with his thought process. I ignored it.

Here's the (almost exact) same portion of the strike zone I looked at last time, from 1 foot to 1.62 feet.

Balls_and_kc_special_rhb_medium

If we look at the first quarter [1, 1.16] 234 Kc occurred in this area. That's much less than the 364 called to LHB in the same section. The difference is even more drastic when you realize those 234 Kc account for 70% of the overall Kc away ro RHB. For LHB the [-1, -1.16] region only represented 55% of the Kc away. So not only are RHB seeing a lot less Kc away than LHB, their "strike zone" doesn't extend nearly as far as LHB for the majority of pitches.

One other thing I mentioned last time was the break even point, where it was 50-50 to be called a ball or strike. With LHB it was the region between [-1, -1.096]. For RHB it's [1]. Yeah, there's not even a region it's just a single line in the vertical plane. Whereas it was about 45-55 K-BB to LHB in the [-1, -1.16] quarter, its 20-80 to RHB in the [1, 1.16] quarter.

Is there another explanation for this besides the umpires calling different zones for LHB and RHB?

It's hard to figure out. The numbers are an enormous disparity, and one I don't think we can simply chalk up to variance. Maybe there are some other factors that could explain the difference?

Maybe LHB had more PA than RHB?

Nope, Baseball Reference says RHB actually had nearly 28,000 more PA than LHB last year, accounting for 57.5% of PA. They also struck out looking 4,676 times last year, accounting for 55.9% of Kc. So it does not seem to be a volume issue, as RHB had a lot opportunities to accrue Kc away.

Maybe LHB took a lot more pitches in this zone than RHB?

Nope, this is certainly not the case. In fact, it was righties who took far more pitches in this zone. Check out this view, LHB on the left and RHB on the right.

Balls_and_kc_l-r_medium

Damn does that side-by-side comparison really hammer it home or what? Look at the density disparity not only between the amount of red but also the amount of blue as well. Especially in the lower part of the strike zone on the right, looks like pitchers are throwing a lot of two strike pitches there.

Maybe RHB are swinging more in that area thus leading to less Kc?

I'm not even sure what I just wrote even makes logical sense. The graph above shows that RHB are clearly taking more pitches in that zone than LHB so unless they're just seeing an enormous amount of pitches overall in that zone compared to LHB, their swing percentage should be lower. And the data backs that up, with LHB swinging at 54.9% of the pitches in this disputed zone while RHB are swinging at 40.6%.

And even if they were swinging at more pitches in that area that shouldn't affect the percentage of taken pitches that are called strikes. The only way I could see this having an effect would be that RHB disproportionately swing at a certain type of pitch in this area that the umpire is calling a strike. I guess maybe a slider from a RHP might work, as the RHB would swing at it because it's tailing away from him and he thinks its a strike whereas the LHB takes it because it's starting farther outside and he thinks it will miss. Nothing in the data seems to indicate this though, and even then how often are RHP throwing sliders to LHB anyway.

 

Other suggestions?

I'm probably missing some things that could affect this, so suggest away if you can think of any. One reader last time mentioned a possible LOOGY effect, where a LHP is releasing the ball so far to the left that it might be distorting the umpire's view/perception of where a ball crosses the plate. Haven't gotten a chance yet to get a LOOGY list together but I think it's a good thought.

There's also the other parts of the strikezone to address, which I'll likely get to in a bit. The outside part was the one that interested me the most, because hitters are likely to do less damage on pitches away (harder to pull) and you hear all the talk about pitchers not being able to pitch inside anymore because of all the batter armor, protecting the hitter, etc. If that's really the case someone should let the umps know that RHB wear a bunch of armor too, because as it appears right now the strike zone extends farther away to LHB than to RHB.

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Great follow up.

1. LOOGY has to have something to do with this.

or

2. Maybe LHB are just more likely to be jerks, therefore more likely to get rung up by an umpire.

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by Warden11 on Feb 15, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff

There certainly appears to be evidence that LHB are much more likely to be called out on outside pitches than RHB…but I’m with you…why?

LOOGYs are one possible explanation. Another (though I’m not sure how to test) would be a bias in the PitchFx data (x-axis). Umpire positioning is another possibility, I believe most position over the inside corner, but perhaps a few sit over the same corner, regardless of hitter?

Again, excellent follow-up.

by Adam Peterson on Feb 15, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We do know that LHB are worse vLHP than RHB are vRHP

The commonly cited explanation is that there are more righties, so batters are more comfortable facing them. But it’s possible that LOOGYs have created a umpiring bias and that’s part of the explanation. The RHB v RHP matchup was .257/.318/.403 last year, and the LHB v LHP matchup was .247/.317/.383. I’m pretty sure that reflects the general trend overall.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As an amateur umpire,

I did feel more uncomfortable with lefties at the plate because it wasn’t where I was normally positioned. However, I have to believe that MLB umpires wouldn’t have that problem.

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by Warden11 on Feb 15, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you'd hope not...

but no matter how good they are, the fact is they are seeing RHBs twice as much as LHBs.

maybe this was discussed in the previous thread, but … don’t umpires usually position themselves over the catcher’s right shoulder? That’s how I’m picturing it in my head, but since I haven’t watched a game in months, I could be wrong.

If they do, they are lined up a bit closer to the outside corner for RHBs. It would make the outside corner for LHBs a sharper angle, without the benefit of having the batter on that side as a visual aid.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 15, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I should probably watch some more video

But at least in the picture above, the umpire is clearly lined up on the catcher’s left shoulder for the RHB. This also probably helps explain how he missed a pretty blatant ball, but I would think that this isn’t the norm.

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by iamawesomer on Feb 15, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching MLB Network as we speak

And at least in the Cameron 4 home run game, the umpire appears to set up on the inside corner.

by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 15, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From all of my training,

umpires are told to set up on the inside corner, placing your eyes between the batter and catcher.

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by Warden11 on Feb 15, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, good to know

that makes sense to me, but I just couldn’t picture it. (and no tv, so no mlb network!)

I should probably get my head out of a spreadsheet and watch some baseball. Heh.

Speaking of spreadsheets that I can’t get my head out of, if anybody wants to see a very early version of a new minorleaguesplits feature, click here, then click on “huntsville” then click on “spray chart.” I believe it works in both IE and FF.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 15, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome, once again

That would be really interesting for like Escobar to see the impact of bunting and infield hits.

I’m a little over 1/3 of the way overall on matching up the IDs, it’s a slow process (especially when I get interrupted by doing lineup construction analyses and um, homework). Both will be awesome features when they’re completed.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Perhaps click the picture for a bigger view? They look pretty distinct red and blue to me.

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by iamawesomer on Feb 15, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you do this for the handedness of the matchup?

LHP vs. RHB, LHP vs LHB
and
RHP vs. RHB, RHP vs. LHB

And how about the types of pitches that’s causing these called K’s? Are lefties getting rung up fastballs from righties off the edge of the plate? Backdoor pitches from righties? Or breaking pitches from lefties?

Similar to the LOOGY issue I guess, but more stuff to look at.

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by VictorW on Feb 15, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

re, the Greg Smith strike

that was clearly a strike, in the zone, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar and i hate them.

look, it helped the A’s to get Matt Holliday and win the world cup this year, ok? ok.

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by alea iacta est on Feb 15, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's called the World Baseball Classic, not the world cup

The A’s can’t win the world cup because that’s for soccer. The WBC on the other hand is for baseball, so they can win that. Get your facts straight next time stathead.

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by iamawesomer on Feb 15, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

reply fail :(

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by iamawesomer on Feb 15, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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