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Seattle "JackZ" Another Customer, Allegedly Swaps Silva for Bradley

(Note: Aha, see what I did there with the title? Aren't I grand with the humor? Speaking of humor...)

Here's the relevant source regarding what I'm talking about.

I'm going to skip the charade of whipping out the TVC and giving you a nice introduction about Milton Bradley, Carlos Silva, and how Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik has turned around the situation with the Mariners. Instead, I'll say this.

This is a straight-up robbery. There's no reason for such a tragedy to happen. Silva was the largest remaining noose on the Seattle Mariners' collective necks, the sole remaining byproduct from the Dark Ages of Bill Bavasi. Bradley was a positive offensive player (.345 wOBA) in the corners last year. He was a 1 WAR player last year in one of his worst offensive seasons in recent times. Silva struck out 10 batters and walked 11 in 30 innings last season (he also hit three batters). Before that, he was average at best (4.64 FIP for Seattle in 2008, though coupled with a poor defense, it turned into a 6.46 ERA), and horrendous at worst (5.76 FIP in 2006 for Minnesota, when he allowed almost two HR/9).

Silva hasn't pitched well since arriving in Seattle, one of the better pitcher's parks in baseball. He's now moving to Chicago, a hitter's haven in comparison. Bradley is now moving to Seattle, to a fanbase that actually respects his offensive skillset. There is no rumored additional parts to this trade. It's a simple one-for-one, and I think it made everyone outside Seattle cringe a little. I know I did.

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Performance-wise, Carlos Silva has next to no value.

Replacement level? Pretty much. (Maybe a chance for 1 WAR.)

So for what appears to be a difference of $6M, the Mariners “signed” Milton Bradley for two years. Wow.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 18, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Bad math

Bradley is owed $21M over the next two years, plus the $6mil the M’s threw to the Cubs. You’re paying Milton Bradley $27 over 2 years. $13.5M a season. I’m sure he’ll be worth every penny.

by jelges123 on Dec 18, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

But Silva was essentially a sunk cost, so realistically, the Mariners just spent $6M to land Bradley for two years.

Silva wasn’t likely to contribute much in Seattle so they were dumping $24M on him anyways. Now, for $3M per year, they have the opportunity to get high-quality offensive production from that roster spot.

by Satchel Price on Dec 18, 2009 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What Satchel said, but with different numbers.

They were already going to pay Silva $24M to do (I’m assuming) nothing for them. Now they’re paying $9 for Silva to do (for sure) nothing for them plus $21M for Milton Bradley to DH for them. That’s only paying $6M to have Milton Bradley’s services for two years.

So, actually, Satchel’s match was right. And I was right the first time. And I was wrong the second time.

Now, Silva probably isn’t actually worthless, but it’s close.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 18, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

CHONE projects him at around 1 WAR, I think, in 100 innings.

Probably closer to 1.5 WAR if you’re using Fangraph’s baseline, I think closer to 3 WARP if you’re using BPro’s metrics.

by cwyers on Dec 18, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Mets

hell Castillo might have actually done something for Chicago.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 18, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, as a Cub fan, I would rather keep
Bradley around and hope that he turns it around than save $6M and give a roster (and rotation?) spot to Silva.

Silva could still be an alright fifth starter, but Bradley has the ability to post star-quality offensive numbers. It’s really too bad that the team so firmly committed to getting rid of Bradley, because now we’ve somehow gotten stuck with Silva for $16M over two years.

Back when Bradley signed, I said myself, “Hey, this deal has some monster upside, what’s the worst that could happen?”

I guess I know now..

by Satchel Price on Dec 18, 2009 2:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

This isn't a highway robbery, it's a good move for both teams

The Mariners fork over a few extra million to get a decent player(with a high injury rate and friction issues galore) and the Cubs get a chance to break even on Bradley, which is more than they could have asked for this offseason.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 18, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

The only thing that lowers Bradley's value

to ‘decent player’ is the injury rate. If he stays healthy and produces at the rates he’s shown in his career, people will eat whatever crap he spews, because he’s a plus player who you can plug in the middle of the lineup and get positive production.

Insane move for the M’s.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Dec 18, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

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