Minnesota: Fielding TargetView Before & After JJ Hardy
by Justin Bopp on Nov 7, 2009 3:01 AM EST
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Twins 2009 UZR/150, before JJ Hardy/Carlos Gomez Trade
See the excellent BtB analysis of the trade HERE.
Team Fielding Comparison after the jump.
Twins UZR/150, after JJ Hardy/Carlos Gomez Trade
Revised Chart assumption: Span moves to CF and Cuddyer takes RF.
| Metrodome | Target Field | Difference | |
| LF | 343' | 339' | -4' |
| CLF | 385' | 377' | -8' |
| CF | 408' | 404' | -4' |
| CRF | 367' | 367' | 0' |
| RF | 327' | 328' | +1' |
Field Dimension Comparisons
Questions for consumption: How will the shorter wall at Target Field (not affiliated with TargetView) in LF-CF change the fielding needs for Minnesota? Does this make the acquistion of Hardy even more valuable by 'walling-off' the left fielder with higher-UZR fielders? Does this give the Twins more flexibility in finding a powerbat-but-can't-field-Donkey-type in LF?
Or is it the other way around? Would the Twins have been better off by pursuing a better 2B to protect the holes in Right, assuming that bringing in the LF wall actually makes the left fielder better by giving less ground to cover?
Edit: Here's the original and probably mistaken UZR TargetView Chart with Cuddyer in center -
Data Sources: Fangraphs (UZR/150), Wiki (Field Dimensions)
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There's obviously no way Cuddyer is going to play CF
It would be sweet if he could replicate his success there though
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There's nothing to replicate
He’s played less than 3 full games in CF for his entire career.
I think a UZR/150 for Cuddyer in CF is REALLY misleading. He played 17 innings and there’s no way he was a cumulative 34.4 raw UZR in a cumulative 4455.2 innings since 2002 in RF and be a good defensive CFer. That’s a UZR/150 of -1.16 in RF the last 7 years. It’s because of this I have qualms about the TargetView using UZR/150 - the small samples really skew the data visualization.
But I do love these graphs.
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Mike-
1. Agreed. Single year sample sizes are probably not the best way to visualize this.
2. Do you think we could put these data on a over-time scale and project what that player’s defensive capabilities should be at that position?
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Jeff, are your fielding projections available for everyone, yet?
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Span in center, Cuddyer in right, Punto at 2B
UZR of -3.3 (-7.4/150), -16.9 (-22.1/150), 3.3 (9.4/150) respectively.
The Twins still have a ton of work to do before they’re even an average defensive team. Especially when they have to sacrifice defense for offense when they move Kubel from DH.
You could always have Carlos Guillen for 12 million dollars?
Does anybody remember that he was supposedly “upset” about being moved to right? Now that’s funny.
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Their outfield defensive alignment will be, left to right, Young, Span, and Cuddyer
I thought they should’ve traded Young and gone with Span, Gomez, Cuddyer left to right, but whatever.
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Thanks for the feedback everybody!
I added a “correct” chart with Denard in center and Cuddyer in RF. Quite a difference.
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Hardy
After watching almost every game of JJ Hardy’s career, I can honestly say that he is not that good of a defensive shortstop. He is solid. But he is not elite. He fields what is hit to him, he has a plus arm, but his range is atrocious. He is the perfect example of why defensive statistics are very imperfect.
This is the classic "my eyes don't lie" post.
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Eyes dont lie
But numbers can be slanted.
I gave Hardy his due in that his glove is good and his arm is very good. He’s just not as good as UZR might indicate. There are a handful of guys, whose UZR is not as high as Hardy’s, that are better shortstops: Rollins, Tulowitzki, Yunel Escobar, Alcides Escobar, Jose Reyes, Brendan Ryan.
The Brewer pitching staff ERA will drop by about a 1/3rd fo a half of a run this year having Escobar at SS instead of Hardy.
1/3 of a run per game is 54 runs over a full season.
1/2 of a run per game is 81 runs over a full season.
Escobar is not that much better than Hardy. Hell, Ozzie Smith would barely be that much better than Frank Thomas.
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I have my own defensive metric and it doesn't like Hardy at all compared to UZR
He is the one person that is completely different.
I have just at or below league average.
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