Beyond the Box Score: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Around SBN: Baby Boilers no more: Michigan State-Purdue Preview

The Cincinnati Reds WAR Path: The Great Years

1975-cinci-reds-warpath_medium

Click to enlarge.

The MLB Playoffs are a bittersweet experience for any fan that hasn't seen success in some time, especially a Royals fan like myself. Of course, it's great to see good teams play in meaningful games, but holy hell it's hard to find a lot of passion about teams with more money, more brains, and better players. I hear myself whining already.

So, with machine-like precision, the Playoffs come and go, and the great teams build upon their legend, and fans of bad teams stand by with strained statistical interest. The hardest part is hearing about "rebuilding mode" for ten, fifteen, twenty(!) years, all while seeing team after team have their prospects and trades coalesce at the same time to make a run at a Series win.

 

Star-divide

That said, when Sky hands me the data for the 1975 Cincinnati Reds, it's with little passion that I approach this chart, regardless of Mr. Posnanski's wonderful words and wisdom about the team. I just can't bring myself to care. I don't care about the Reds. I don't hate Joe Morgan. I don't love Pete Rose, or idolize Johnny Bench. I just don't care.

I hate needing to admit being apathetic towards this amazing team. I even asked for advice from my friend and  BtB/G&C co-author, Walter, and the best he could come up with was, "What is there to say? They sure were a great team!" And he likes the Reds!

It is with this cold approach to the team that it all becomes clear. Maybe they were the greatest of all time. Maybe not. I'm not qualified to answer that. What I see is a group of great players, and three of the best of all time, all near-peaking in the same period of time.

Morgan's best season was one of Bench's 3rd best seasons. Rose had just peaked in 1973 and was just beginning his descent in those Series-winning '75 and '76 seasons. It's hard not to notice that all of these players peaked in between 1970 and 1977, and that one's peak and beginning descent was followed with another's peak. And so on.

1975-cinci-reds-warchart_medium

Click to enlarge.

Clearly, there's a lot more to say, but most of those words have already been said. However, we can take a moment to observe how one team had all the right players, peaking at or near the exact same time. Perhaps there's a team in the playoffs, this year, that we'll look back at some thirty years from now and notice the same thing? Perhaps there's a GM out there that can observe how to construct a roster of similarly-peaking players and bring back some playoff joy to those without?

 

Data Visualization: Justin Bopp | Data Collection: Sky Kalkman | Data Source: baseballprojection.com

0 recs  |  Comment 6 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Data source is baseballprojection.com, right?

Nice figure, though. Morgan=Machine, eh?

I do tend to think of Rose as peaking earlier in his career, so this was interesting to see.
-j

by JinAZ on Oct 9, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This was great

Actually, I was just talking with a friend yesterday about the big red machine and WAR. I’m bookmarking this one.

Formerly The_Fan

by Mr.Fan on Oct 9, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

We use numbers and stuff.
Community Guidelines
Why be a member?
Start posting on Beyond the Box Score »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

770insig_small
BtB's "Ball On A Budget" Fantasy League - Discuss Participants, Payrolls and Position Eligibility

Recent FanPosts

Ds9_small
good graphing program?
Small
Predicting HR/FB Rates
Leopold_butter_scotch_southpark_small
Troy Tulowitzki vs Ryan Braun
Small
Pitchers batted ball observations
Small
Eric Byrnes: A player worth a look?
Small
Valverde Is Charging Detroit Double
Mukuro_small
Another question: About power rankings
Small
Why You Shouldn't Trade for Arroyo
Jinaz-reds-avatar_small
Last Call for BtB Sabermetric Writing Award Nominations

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Can you spot the five guys NOT in the Hall of Fame? It's easy, I separated 'em for ya. :)

Here's the full post about guys elected to the Hall of Fame primarily for their defense. Guys like Brooks Robinson, Ozzie Smith, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, and Bid McPhee stand up as definite HOFers, with many others worthy of debate (and a couple aren't worth any debate at all).

I almost made it through the whole post without comparing some HOFers to our friends Bill Dahlen, Lou Whitaker, Bobby Grich, Alan Trammell, and Ron Santo. Almost.
If you care about newspaper coverage of MLB, read this post
Visualizing the Difference Between Offensive and Defensive Value for Catchers
First B-Pro and now ESPN. Tommy, you're growing up so fast
THT - Advancing by ground
Negro League Museum Close to Folding
It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one...
Ranking Minor League Systems Using Victors Wang's Prospect Valuations
Pitch f/x on Ricky Nolasco Stretch vs. Windup again
Veron Wells the artist.  I never knew.

http://www.vwellsart.com/

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

BtB on Twitter

Main Feed: @BtBScore

Jeff: @jeffwzimmerman
Steve: @steve_sommer
Sky: @BtB_Sky
Dan: @dturkenk
Harry: @harrypav
Jinaz: @jinazreds
Jack: @jh_moore
Erik: @Erik_Manning
Tommy R: @trancel
Justin: @justinbopp

Subscribe to BtB via Email

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner

BtB Goes Social


Managers

Wbc_029_small Jeff Sullivan

Editors

Rawlings_baseball_bigger_small Dan Turkenkopf

Limes_125_small Sky Kalkman

770insig_small Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal)

Aviles_small Justin Bopp

Authors

Roots_game_small R.J. Anderson

Jinaz-reds-avatar_small JinAZ

Face_small Harry Pavlidis

1753738656_110919ebe9_o_small vivaelpujols

Ozzie_small erik

Raysring1_small Tommy Rancel

Redcap_small SFiercex4

St_louis_cardinals_ce1141_003263_small stevesommer05

Paige_small Satchel Price