Who Actually Had the Biggest Comeback in 2009?
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Oct 5, 2009 7:18 PM EDT
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It's award season, and the NL and AL Comeback Awards winners were announced earlier today. Congrats to Chris Carpenter of the Cardinals and Aaron Hill of the Blue Jays for winning the award. It is supposed to go to the players that "re-emerged on the baseball field during a given season."
I decided to take the balloting results and compare the player's WAR from this year, a recent low year and a recent high. Then. I took the total swing in WAR from the high to the low to this season's WAR value . For example Aaron Hill had 3.5 WAR in 2007, 0.5 in 2008 and then 4.2 this year for a total swing of 6.7 WAR ((3.5 WAR -0.5WAR)+(4.2 WAR - 0.5 WAR).
NL Comeback Award Comparison
Here is a comparison of the vote getters in the NL:
| Voting Rank | Name and Team | High Year | Previous High (WAR) | Low Year | Lowest Between High and 2009 (WAR) | 2009 WAR | Total Swing in WAR |
| 1 | Chris Carpenter, STL | 2006 | 5.2 | 2007 | 0.2 | 5.6 | 10.4 |
| 2 | Yovani Gallardo, MIL | 2007 | 2.6 | 2008 | 0.4 | 2.8 | 4.6 |
| 3 | Josh Johnson, FLA | 2006 | 2.5 | 2007 | 0.2 | 5.3 | 7.4 |
| 4 | Todd Helton, COL | 2007 | 4.9 | 2008 | 1.5 | 3.5 | 5.4 |
| 5 | Aaron Boone, HOU | 2007 | 0.3 | 2008 | -0.2 | -0.3 | 0.4 |
| 6 | Pedro Martinez, PHI | 2007 | 1.2 | 2008 | 0.1 | 0.6 | 1.6 |
| 7 | Luis Castillo, NYM | 2007 | 2.4 | 2008 | 0.6 | 1.4 | 2.6 |
| 8 | Jeff Weaver, LAD | 2007 | 0.9 | 2008 | 0 | 0.6 | 1.5 |
| 9 | Jonny Gomes, CIN | 2007 | 0 | 2008 | -1.2 | 0.8 | 3.2 |
| 10 | Peter Moylan, ATL | 2007 | 0.6 | 2008 | 0 | 1.5 | 2.1 |
| 11 | Mike MacDougal, WSH | 2007 | 0.2 | 2008 | 0.1 | -0.2 | -0.2 |
NL Observations and the AL Comparisons after the jump
NL observations:
- The voters got the winner correct.
- The voters also got the next four correct with the exception of Gallardo being a little high
- The wasn't a whole lot to choose from after the first 4.
- In two cases the players WAR value did not increase in 2009 from the previous years. In one case, Aaron Boone had open heart surgery this off season and even getting on the field should warrant some votes. I have no clue how Mike MacDougal end up with votes.
AL Comeback Award Comparison
Now here is a comparison of the vote getters in the AL:
| Voting Rank | Name and Team | High Year | Previous High (WAR) | Low Year | Lowest Between High and 2009 (WAR) | 2009 WAR | Total Swing in WAR |
| 1 | Aaron Hill, TOR | 2007 | 3.5 | 2008 | 0.5 | 4.2 | 6.7 |
| 2 | Victor Martinez, BOS | 2007 | 5.1 | 2008 | 0.9 | 4.8 | 8.1 |
| 3 | Michael Cuddyer, MIN | 2007 | 2.1 | 2008 | -0.2 | 2.1 | 4.6 |
| 4 | Jorge Posada, NYY | 2007 | 7.1 | 2008 | 0.8 | 4 | 9.5 |
| 5 | Russell Branyan, SEA | 2006 | 1.1 | 2007 | 0.5 | 2.8 | 2.9 |
| 6 | Scott Podsednik, CWS | 2005 | 1.4 | 2006 | -0.5 | 1.5 | 3.9 |
| 7 | Juan Rivera, LAA | 2006 | 2.7 | 2008 | -0.7 | 3.5 | 7.6 |
| 8 | Rajai Davis, OAK | 2007 | 1 | 2008 | 0.6 | 3.5 | 3.3 |
| 9 | Andruw Jones, TEX | 2007 | 3.6 | 2008 | -0.9 | 0.7 | 6.1 |
| 10 | Travis Hafner, CLE | 2007 | 2.2 | 2008 | -0.8 | 1.1 | 4.9 |
| 11 | Fernando Rodney, DET | 2007 | 0.7 | 2008 | 0.4 | 0.3 | 0.2 |
Observations on the voting for the AL Comeback Award:
- The winner here did not have the largest swing in WAR, Hill was actually 4 in total swing behind Posada, Martinez, and Rivera.
- The swing values in the AL were much more than in the NL on average. There was only one swing value of less than 2.9 in the AL, but 6 in the NL.
- I need to look back over 5 years to see the comeback of Scott Podsednik. He has the following WAR values from 2005 to 2009: 1.4, -0.5,-0.1, -0.4, 1.5
- Fernando Rodney, like Aaron Boone and Mike MacDougal got votes for actually being worse this year than last year.
- There seems to be a lot of love for Russell Branyan despite being having the 9th highest swing in WAR.
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Where's Joel Pineiro in this discussion?
His high prior to ‘09 was 3.8 WAR and his low between ’03 and this season came in ’06 and ’07 when he registered just 0.6 WAR. Indeed, he hasn’t been above 0.9 WAR since 2005 but pulled out a 4.8 this season. Total swing — 7.4 WAR, tied w/ Josh Johnson for 2nd place. I can’t believe he got no votes!!!!!!
by chuckb on Oct 5, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If I was to guess, people didn't remeber back to 2002/2003.
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Oct 5, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Catch Chuck
I think Joel should be a part of this discussion too, though Carp deserved it by far. My problem with using swing though is that it undervalues players that never had a huge season before.
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by StLHugo on Oct 5, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point
If they haven’t had a huge season before, they aren’t “coming back”. They’re just “coming.”
by lookatthosetwins on Oct 6, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is pineiro really a comeback though?
i mean, he is definitely improved, but it’s not like he is on an elite level once again. this is his first time really. and his slump down the stretch probably hurt him. but no votes at all is a bit baffling.
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by Shi on Oct 5, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Piñeiro should be more of a targer for a "break out season" type award?
Is there such an award?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 6, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither
He should of been on this list. Why do they have MIke McDougal? WHY?
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by Mr.Fan on Oct 7, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you how McDougal got votes
He recorded 20 of 21 save opps this year (I’m sort of guessing, I think he’s in that ballpark)! That’s a lot of saves! He didn’t get saves last year! He used to get saves before! Saves are awesome!
(Never mind that he walked 38 people and struck out 34 in 54 innings)
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by SFiercex4 on Oct 5, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cool analysis.
In general, why is Jorge’s season not getting more play?
I wonder if Hill got bonus points for his type of injury?
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by Sky Kalkman on Oct 5, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would assume so
Did anyone think Martinez might never play again?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 7, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Bourn...anyone?
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by DyingQuail on Oct 6, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just adding the downswing to the upswing seems like bad methodology
If a guy went from 10 to 0 to 1, he’d have a total swing of 11 which would be massive compared to these candidates, but you’d never consider him for the award. Then again if a guy went from 1 to 0 to 10 you’d give him the breakout award instead of the comeback award.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 7, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you limit each half of the puzzle to a maximum of the other half?
So 10 to 0 to 1 would score as 2, 8 to 0 to 2 would score as 4, and 4 to 0 to 4 would score as 8?
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by Sky Kalkman on Oct 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could multiply them together
Although wins squared isn’t a great stat.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 9, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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