Finding The Next Victor Zambrano
K/BB ratio -- for many statheads, that one number tells you most of what you need to know about a pitcher. The higher the K/BB, the lower the ERA, and vice versa. But every year, there are a number of starters who post good ERAs with crappy K/BB ratios, and fans of those teams come up with moderately rational reasons why they can continue to beat the K/BB rule in the future. Here are three of those guys this year:
| First | Last | IP | K/BB | ERA | xFIP |
| Edwin | Jackson | 156 | 1.3 | 3.81 | 5.22 |
| Dana J | Eveland | 139 | 1.4 | 4.21 | 4.76 |
| Gregory | Smith | 159.7 | 1.3 | 4.23 | 5.25 |
xFIP is expected ERA based on K/BB ratio and GB% (and nothing else). These three pitchers seem to have greatly overachieved. But how sure of that are we? More thorough studies have been done, but here's another one that hopefully makes the point that a pitcher succeeding with a low K/BB is much more likely to be getting lucky than to have beaten the system.
I grabbed all pitcher-seasons from 2004 through 2008 (Hardball Times only goes back through 2004) with at least 120 innings pitched and divided them up into three groups based on K/BB (lower than 1.5, between 1.5 and 2.5, and above 2.5.) Here is each group's average ERA and percentage of pitcher-seasons with an ERA under 4.50:
| K/BB group | num | ERA | <4.50 |
| low (<1.5) |
89 | 4.90 | 26% |
| medium | 283 | 4.40 | 54% |
| high (>2.5) |
205 | 3.70 | 86% |
It's obvious that a low K/BB is not a good recipe for success. But the question remains, can certain pitchers find ways to be exceptions to the rule? Let's look at all the pitchers who have posted an ERA under 4.50 with a low K/BB from 2004 through 2007, who also pitched at least 80 innings the following year. That should show us the pitchers who proved year one wasn't a fluke:
| Year | First | Last | IP | K/BB | ERA | xFIP | IP2 | ERA2 |
| 2004 | Brandon | Webb | 208 | 1.4 | 3.59 | 4.00 | 229 | 3.54 |
| 2006 | Chien-Ming | Wang | 218 | 1.5 | 3.63 | 4.35 | 199.3 | 3.70 |
| 2007 | Aaron | Cook | 166 | 1.4 | 4.12 | 4.49 | 188 | 3.88 |
| 2004 | Victor | Zambrano | 128 | 1.1 | 4.43 | 5.73 | 166.3 | 4.17 |
| 2006 | Jeff | Suppan | 190 | 1.5 | 4.12 | 4.86 | 206.7 | 4.62 |
| 2005 | Kirk | Saarloos | 159.7 | 1.0 | 4.17 | 4.71 | 121.3 | 4.75 |
| 2005 | Jorge | Sosa | 134 | 1.3 | 2.55 | 4.99 | 87.3 | 5.46 |
| 2005 | Jason | Marquis | 207 | 1.5 | 4.13 | 4.69 | 194.3 | 6.02 |
| 2004 | Al | Leiter | 173.7 | 1.2 | 3.21 | 5.30 | 80 | 6.64 |
| 2004 | Russ | Ortiz | 204.7 | 1.3 | 4.13 | 5.00 | 115 | 6.89 |
Wait? That's it? Yep -- only four starters have backed up a sub-4.50 ERA season with another one, given a low K/BB the first year. As a group, the pitchers in the table saw their ERAs rise from 3.82 to 4.71 from the first year to the second. And that change could easily have been predicted -- their average expected ERA (xFIP) the first year was about 4.76.
But ok, maybe those four pitchers who followed up their "flukey" year with another one actually can beat the system. (Remember, this is four players out of 89.) Let's take a look at them individually:
Brandon Webb 2004
Webb's a crazy groundball pitcher (63%!), which means he doesn't give up a lot of homeruns -- his ERA was only half a run lower than expected in 2004. And in 2005, his K/BB ratio skyrocketed all the way to 2.9 and his ERA was actually a half run worse than expected.
Chien Ming Wang 2006
Wang is also a crazy groundball pitcher and outperformed his expected ERA by .80 runs in 2006. In 2007, his K/BB rose a bit to 1.8.
Aaron Cook 2007
Cook (stop me if this sounds familiar) is an extreme groundball pitcher. His 2008 K/BB is up to 2.0 and he's only outperforming his expected ERA by .30 runs.
Victor Zambrano 2004
Zambrano bumped his K/BB up from 1.1 to 1.5 in 2005, but to be fair, he did outperform his K/BB again.
In summary, it's extremely difficult to post an ERA under 4.50 with a K/BB under 1.5. Of those pitchers who managed to do it between 2004 and 2007, only four repeated the following year. Of those four, three are extreme groundball pitchers -- who also increased their K/BB to varying degrees -- and Victor Zambrano. And the only good aspect of having the next Victor Zambrano on your team is that maybe he'll be traded for the next Scott Kazmir.
Finally, let's go back and take a look at the three starters who, in 2008, are sporting ERAs under 4.50 with a K/BB under 1.5. What are the chances that Edwin Jackson, Dana Eveland, and Greg Smith repeat their low ERAs 2009 with similar K/BB ratios? All three pitch in front of very good defenses (Tampa Bay and Oakland), and the two Oakland pitchers play home games in a friendly park for pitchers. But otherwise, Eveland is the only one with a high GB-rate (and he's the one currently outperforming his xFIP the least.) Jackson and Smith should see quite the regression next year. Of course, all three guys have room to improve their skills and therefore their K/BB ratios, but being able to beat the system and becoming a better pitcher are two separate things.
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Welcome, Sky.
Glad to have you on board!
by Peter Bendix on
Sep 8, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
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So the Rays should trade Edwin for a hot young pitching prospect?
by R.J. Anderson on
Sep 8, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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There's another factor here...
Jackson, Eveland, and Smith share a common thread:
OUTSTANDING defenses behind them. I would argue that the Rays and the A’s are two of the top three defenses in baseball, and at least one defensive metric would back that statement up (although I’ll acknowledge that defensive metrics don’t always agree).
It’s easier to beat your FIP when 7 of your team’s 8 defenders are league average or better at their positions.
Both the Rays and the A’s make a very conscious effort in the front office to put good defenders on the field to ease the burden on their pitchers.
"are you like some sort of argumentative robot?"
by notsellingjeans on
Sep 8, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
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Sky mentioned the defenses.
All three pitch in front of very good defenses (Tampa Bay and Oakland)
Also I remember reading about Ellis extension talks, are those ongoing or have they stalled?
by R.J. Anderson on
Sep 8, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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Jeez, you're right R.J.
I missed that sentence on my first read-through, I’m sorry. Certainly a great article.
Allegedly, Ellis extension talks have stalled. His deteriorating shoulder couldn’t have happened at worse time for him financially, although I still suspect someone will pay him.
Common AN speculation has Orlando Hudson signing with a big-market team and Mark Ellis becoming his replacement in Arizona.
I see the A’s pocketing the Type B comp pick that Ellis will garner and going with one of four $400K options: Hannahan, Eric Patterson, Gregorio Petit, or Cliff Pennington. None of them is inspiring, but ’09 is a developmental year for Oakland anyway. Payroll is projected at roughly $40MM a year at this point.
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by notsellingjeans on
Sep 8, 2008 9:09 PM EDT
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Thanks.
The A’s are one of those teams that interest me to no end, but lately I haven’t been able to keep up with them on AN.
by R.J. Anderson on
Sep 8, 2008 11:48 PM EDT
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You've only been missing heaps of depression :)
We are a few years away from completing our Tampa Bay-esque cycle of dominance.
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by notsellingjeans on
Sep 9, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
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Great article and research Sky
I also enjoyed your recent contributions over at AthleticsNation. Welcome!
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by notsellingjeans on
Sep 8, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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Well...
Your description of xFIP is misleading. It’s based on K/BFP and BB/BFP, not K/BB ratio. The two are very different. If I strike out 27 batters in a game and walk 9 I have the same K/BB ratio as someone who strikes out 3 and walks one.
In fact, a great way to be an exception to the rule that you state above, “A low k/bb ratio is bad for ERA” is to strike out lots and lots of batters. It’s the Edinson Volquez formula. K/BB isn’t a bad heuristic, but it also has a tendency to make Edinson Volquez (2.3 k/bb) look only marginally better than Carlos Silva (2.0)
by philosofool on
Sep 9, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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yes, it's misleading, my bad
K-BB per IP is a bit better if you’re going to combine the two, but it’s not THAT big of a deal.
to be complete, Volquez’s xFIP is almost 4.00 (because his K/BB isn’t totally spectacular) and Silva’s is about 4.75. (surprisingly, Volquez has the higher GB% this year). Volquez has been a bit lucky with his ERA and Silva’s suffered BIG TIME from the awful Seattle defense (.340 BABIP). Depending on your definition of “marginally”, Volquez might be considered marginally better than Silva.
by Sky Kalkman on
Sep 9, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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