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What If The Twins Still Had Johan Santana?

We can assume that the Twins would’ve opened the season with a rotation of Johan Santana, Scott Baker, Kevin Slowey, Boof Bonser and Livan Hernandez. Let’s run with this idea.

This season for the Twins, Glen Perkins replaced Scott Baker in the rotation on May 10, because Baker had gotten injured. Perkins has remained in the rotation since.

Then, when Baker returned to the rotation, he replaced Boof Bonser, relegating Bonser to the bullpen.

Then Francisco Liriano replaced Livan Hernandez at the beginning of August.

Let’s assume that the Twins were wedded to Hernandez through the end of July, no matter what. After all, they could have called up Liriano earlier – Liriano began dominating in triple-A on June 10.

So if the Twins had Johan Santana the entire year…

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When Scott Baker gets hurt, Nick Blackburn would replace him on May 10, not Glen Perkins, since we can assume that Blackburn was ahead of Perkins on the Twins organizational depth chart. Therefore, Blackburn would have made 25 starts, not 32. Meaning Blackburn would have pitched 146 innings (25 starts x 5.84 innings per start, which is what he’s averaged this year), rather than 187.

Then, we can assume that Baker would once again replace Bonser in the rotation when he returned on June 10.

Would Perkins have ever cracked the rotation? His only hope would have been if the Twins decided to give up on Livan Hernandez and replace him with Perkins. The fact that they left Liriano in triple-A for nearly two months while Liriano pitched well and Hernandez pitched terribly suggests that they would not have been inclined to insert Perkins over Hernandez, either. Therefore, we can assume that Perkins would’ve never made it into the rotation, and would’ve spent the year in the bullpen.

Nick Blackburn would’ve been inserted into the rotation when Scott Baker got hurt, and then would’ve stayed in the rotation when Baker came back – essentially, Blackburn would’ve played the role of Glen Perkins. In this scenario, Perkins would never have cracked the rotation.

So the 32 starts that Johan would have made were actually split between Blackburn and Perkins – Blackburn made seven (the additional starts before Baker got hurt), and Perkins made 25.

How might Johan Santana have fared in the AL? Well, the AL is better than the NL this year, and Shea Stadium is a pitcher’s park.

First let’s take Santana’s raw ERA of 2.64 and park-adjust it. Interestingly, it appears that the Metrodome played as a pitcher’s park this year, a little more even than Shea Stadium. It was actually more difficult to homer in the Metrodome than in Shea, and both parks severely depressed singles. Given Shea’s tendency to be more of a pitcher’s park over the long-term, let’s call this a wash (even though I believe Shea is probably still more difficult to hit in than the Metrodome).

Therefore, the only adjustment necessary is a league adjustment. There is a 1% difference in the average AL ERA (4.29) and average NL ERA (4.33), but we can assume that there is approximately a 6-7% difference in league quality overall. This was discussed in Baseball Between the Numbers a few years ago, and the difference in league quality hasn’t curtailed much (if at all) since then. Let’s say that Johan’s ERA would rise 6% by virtue of being in the AL. That would take his 2.68 ERA and bring it up to 2.84. That seems reasonable enough.

Essentially what this all means is that the Twins would have 32 starts from Johan, totaling 225 innings with a 2.84 ERA, meaning Johan would’ve given up 71 runs in those 225 innings.

Remember, his starts would have come at the expense of Blackburn and Perkins. In his seven additional starts, Blackburn would’ve pitched 41 innings (he averaged 5.84 innings per start), and allowed 19 runs. Perkins would’ve pitched 146 innings, allowing 73 runs. This is the production that Johan would have replaced – 187 innings, and 92 runs. But Johan has pitched 225 innings, so he also would have replaced an additional 38 innings from the bullpen. The Twins’ bullpen has a 3.93 ERA, so in those 38 innings the Twins’ bullpen would have allowed 17 runs. So in the 225 innings that Johan would have pitched, he would have allowed 71 runs. Instead, those innings were split between Blackburn, Perkins, and the bullpen, and they combined to allow 109 runs.
 
                  IP     ER                          IP    ER      
Johan    225    71    Blackburn    41    19      
                                   Perkins       146   73      
                                   Bullpen        38    17      
                                   Total            225   109     


Therefore, we can say that Johan Santana would’ve saved the Twins 38 runs – and, in reality, he probably would’ve saved them more, because his presence would’ve knocked the worst pitcher out of the bullpen (replacing that pitcher with Nick Blackburn first and Glen Perkins later). Therefore, we can conservatively estimate that Johan Santana’s presence would’ve been worth at least four wins to this current Twins team, assuming similar performance by everyone else (and similar behavior from the management in terms of who replaces whom, and when). Considering the Twins are 0.5 games behind the White Sox, those four wins would mean a heck of a lot.

Furthermore, if the Twins had never made that deal, they wouldn’t have had Carlos Gomez and his abysmal offensive production (granted, Gomez is excellent defensively in center field). It’s unlikely that the Twins would’ve managed to find an even worse offensive player to replace Gomez (who hit .258/.297/.354 in 559 at bats), and it’s quite possible that they would’ve received a lot more production. Heck, Gomez’s VORP this year was -2.4, meaning that he was worse than a replacement player. Even if you take Gomez’s excellent defense into consideration, his production was barely better than a replacement player, so all the Twins would have to do in order to improve upon his production was find a slightly-better-than-replacement-player to play in center field.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20. PECOTA projected the Twins to win 73 games, and while that seemed slightly low, I thought the Twins would be in a battle with the White Sox all year…for third place all season. While I was skeptical of the return, I agreed with the Twins’ decision to deal Johan before the season, because I thought that that was when he would have the most value, and I thought the Twins didn’t have a chance of competing. Therefore, I do not fault Bill Smith’s decision to deal Johan.

But it’s still interesting to consider where the Twins would be if they still had him.

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good stuff, as usual

The thirty run difference between Johan and his replacements is about three wins — which might turn out to be huge.

If Gomez’s VORP was -3 runs and his fielding was +15 in center, I’m not sure the Twins would have had a better guy out there, actually.

Keeping Santana also would have cost them, say, $10MM in arbitration. They used that money on some guys like Craig Monroe and Mike Lamb, who were complete busts. One could argue that their replacements would have been better even if they were AAA callups.

Of course, replaying the whole season doesn’t really work, because you can’t really assume the Twins offense would be so clutch again.

I agree that trading Johan was definitely the smart move, perhaps costing them a few wins this year but helping tremendously down the road.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 26, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why would they have signed Livan if they hadn’t traded Johan?

by Jay on Sep 26, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because they're silly?

The Twins have a history of signing mediocre (or bad) veterans to take the roster spot that would’ve otherwise been occupied by youngsters. The fact that they stuck with Hernandez so long even after Liriano showed that he was ready to be brought to the majors underscores this point, I think.

by Peter Bendix on Sep 26, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What’s the run value of replacing the extra PA’s that Gomez got by virtue of being the leadoff hitter with those of Denard Span. Gomez was in the leadoff spot for most of the first half.

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by pizzacutter on Sep 27, 2008 12:22 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good analysis, but I think some points are off

First, I don’t think the Twins would have signed signed Hernandez had they retained Santana. Hernandez wasn’t even signed until February 12, 2008, so he was clearly a band-aid for the rotation. So given this assumption, replace Hernandez’s innings with Perkins and the Twins save even MORE runs.

Secondly, without Gomez, the Twins would have went with Span in CF the whole year—a huge offensive improvement and probably pretty even defensively. I’m not sure who they would have called up when Cuddyer got hurt—Pridie maybe? In any event, probably better than Gomez offensively and playing RF which means less of a difference defensively.

Thirdly, responding to some comments already made:

1.) The Twins would have owed Santana nothing in arbitration. He was under contract for this year.

2.) I HATED this trade when it was made. In the vast majority of cases, I think the extra draft picks are much more valuable. I don’t think Gomez will ever be a good offensive player. I hope I’m wrong. I heard someone say early in the year that he could be Devon White. I would be ecstatic if that turns out to be the case—Devon White post 1992 anyways. Furthermore, Humber is average at best. Mulvey will probably be the best player from the deal and could be someone like a Nick Blackburn. Guerra struggled this year in A-ball. Again, unless you are overwhelmed—like the Indians were with Sabathia this year—take the draft picks.

3.) I don’t fault Smith for signing Monroe or Lamb. They were low risk, high reward guys. They didn’t cost much and were capable of having productive years. So they didn’t work out—so we got rid of them. There really wasn’t much else out there.

by rencito on Sep 28, 2008 12:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you really think the Twins would have started Span in center?

his minor league career wasn’t at all impressive until this year.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 28, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about Livan

I don’t think we sign him if we had Johan, so we probably save even more runs.

I actually started looking at how we would have done not only keeping Johan, but also not making the Young-Garza trade. I need to finish it up, but sitting at this point with a Santana-Baker-Liriano-Garza-Slowey rotation would have been sick. Bartlett versus Punto would have lost us a few runs (hard for me to believe), and Young versus whoever takes his ABs would have lost a few more. I’m guessing somewhere around a 60 run difference.

However, we would have been limited in OF depth. Considering that Span was in a competition with Gomez in ST (and outperformed Gomez, by the way), I think Span plays all year in CF. Kubel starts in LF and Cuddyer in RF. When Cuddyer got hurt, what would we have done? Probably something like Harris at DH, Monroe-Span-Kubel in the OF, but who knows? Maybe we would have moved Blackburn or Perkins, but they would have been nothing more than prospects without being in the rotation for much of the year.

I’ll say this, even given Young and Gomez’ struggles this year, I’m looking forward to seeing these guys mature over the next few years. Doesn’t mean in hindsight I make either of the trades, but it will be fun to watch the kids grow.

by Adam Peterson on Sep 28, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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