The Value of Fouls
Stop me if you've heard this one before, but a strike is a strike, right?
Continuing my quest to be the world's greatest expert on the subject of strikes, let's turn our attention to the batter. This post investigates whether the type of strike makes a difference in the outcome of the plate appearance. In other words, is a batter more successful if they foul off strike one than if they swing and miss?
This is part one of a two part series. In this first post, we're going to examine the question retrospectively. That is, we'll look back at plate appearances that end at various counts and see if the outcome differs based on whether the strikes were called, swinging, or fouls. Part two will take a forward-looking approach - looking at each pitch as it happens and seeing whether things progress differently depending on the type of strike.
Let's look at a few different tables. The first one lists the wOBA for plate appearance that ended on a given count. The rest break that down further by looking at the type of the strikes (c = called, s = swinging, f = foul). I'm using wOBA as my measure of effectiveness since it's a nice rate stat that incorporate the run value of each plate appearance. All data is from 2000-2007 and ignores plate appearances by pitchers.
| Count | wOBA | PA |
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| 0-1 | .360 | 130686 |
| 1-1 | .371 | 128341 |
| 2-1 | .391 | 81998 |
| 3-1 | .577 | 73001 |
| 0-2 | .194 | 107667 |
| 1-2 | .207 | 193890 |
| 2-2 | .225 | 186221 |
| 3-2 | .409 | 180828 |
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A couple things to note right off the bat. I've ignored any plate appearances that ended with no strikes, since they're not really relevant to the question at hand. I've also ignored any foul balls beyond the first two strikes. I think those most likely do have an impact on the end result of the plate appearance, but I'm also assuming they're spread fairly evenly across all the different ways of getting to the two strike count. Finally, I'm assuming order of strikes doesn't matter. Whether the batter goes swinging strike followed by foul ball or vice versa doesn't matter.
So what do these results tell us? Well, the wOBA is a lot higher with 3 balls and a lot lower with 2 strikes. Makes perfect sense, since you can't walk without getting to 3 balls, and can't strike out without getting to 2 strikes. We'll come back to that later.
Looking at the raw results, it looks like there's some benefit to fouling off a pitch versus any other type of strike. Is it meaningful? Using the formula SQRT(wOBA * (1.1 - wOBA)/PA) (found here) for the standard deviation, looking at the 1 strikes counts, and hoping I'm doing this right (I'm using the smallest number of plate appearances as my sample size), we reach the 95% confidence level for 0-1, 1-1 and 2-1. 3-1 doesn't even really demonstrate the pattern in our sample, but I think that might be dampened by the number of walks at the 3-1 count.
So I feel pretty safe in saying that there's some advantage to fouling off the ball rather than swinging through it or taking the strike. Or, in the reverse, good hitters tend to make some sort of contact on strikes.
Teasing out some kind of meaning from the 2 strike counts is beyond my level of skill, but eyeballing it, it looks like there's something there too.
I'd like to filter out strikeouts and walks, since I was really most interested in whether the strike type indicated anything for balls put into play. So let's look at the same set of tables, showing wOBA on contact only.
| Count | wOBA | PA |
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| 0-1 | .353 | 128399 |
| 1-1 | .366 | 126844 |
| 2-1 | .388 | 81499 |
| 3-1 | .424 | 35148 |
| 0-2 | .335 | 59084 |
| 1-2 | .344 | 111949 |
| 2-2 | .357 | 114378 |
| 3-2 | .392 | 84867 |
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The results are pretty much the same. Still significant positives for foul balls at 0-1, 1-1 and 2-1, while not necessarily so for 3-1. And the 2 strike counts are still outside my realm of statistically competency, but appear to demonstrate a similar, if muted, effect.
What conclusions can we draw from these results? It appears that there's a correlation between fouling the ball off (as opposed to swinging and missing or taking a strike) and success in the at-bat. One possible explanation is that good hitters are more likely to foul off the ball. I'm not sure how true this is (see Adam Dunn), but it should be easily testable. Another possibility is that fouling off the ball indicates a near-miss and therefore suggests better contact when the ball is put into play.
The big assumption in looking at things this way is that there's no difference in how a plate appearance proceeds based on the type of strike. I don't think that's really the case. If a batter rips the first pitch into the seats just outside the foul pole, I'm betting the pitcher will respond differently than if the first pitch was swung on and missed by three feet. To check that assumption, part two will look at the same question as the at-bat unfolds, and will try to identify the effects of the various strike types on the whole at-bat, not just the ultimate outcome. I'll try to get the post out next week but there's a good chance it will slip a little bit.
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Glad to have you back Dan.
Let me say this is amazing stuff.
Like you, I would assume a foul ball has a difference response from the pitcher than the hitter. Really it’s all game theory, if you can get a swinging strike on your fastball it might mean that the hitter is late, suggesting that you could throw it by him again. If he fouls it off, yes he still might be late, but not so much that you would try it again.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 11, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great work!
I second RJ’s sentiments in saying that this is great work, and it’s nice to have you back, too.
I’ve always been interested in the “type” of strikes as well, and it’s my working hypothesis that swinging strikes >>> all other kinds of strikes. I think that swinging strikes represents dominance, and usually repeatable dominance, whereas called strikes may very more from start-to-start and season-to-season.
Fouls are a fascinating topic, as one could argue that fouls are a success by the hitter (fouling off pitches with two strikes), or a success by the pitcher (after all, it’s a strike).
You mention there’s a correlation between fouling pitches off and having success in the at bat. Do you know if there’s a correlation between the amount of foul balls a pitcher may get, and the amount of swinging strikes he induces? If we understand fouls as a “near-miss,” I guess I’m asking if it’s closer to a ball in play or closer to a swinging strike, does that make sense?
Sorry for the ramble; I tend to ramble when I talk about something I’m very interested in. Great work!
by Peter Bendix on Sep 11, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure of the best way to explore this.
If you look just at raw numbers, the correlation for pitchers between swinging and foul strikes is .78. I’m worried that has something to do with the fact that pitchers with more total strikes will have more of both swinging and foul.
If you look at percentage, the correlation is -.12, but then we’re getting into a case where increasing your percentage of swinging strikes decreases your percentage of all other strikes simply by definition.
The percentage of both foul and swinging strikes have a standard deviation of about 3%, but the swinging strikes has a much higher skew – which I think means that there are more outliers at the high end. So it appears easier to differentiate yourself with swinging strikes and the percentage of foul strikes might be more the result of noise. It’s definitely something to look into and see whether those percentages hold steady across multiple years.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Sep 13, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff
Maybe those foul strikes allow the hitter to calibrate his timing better?
by VictorW on Sep 11, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or they indicate that he's not completely baffled -- getting a piece is better than swinging and totally missing.
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 11, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome stuff
so please don’t take this the wrong way. It’s great for people just to be able to eyeball the numbers on an issue that most (myself included) haven’t really thought about explicitly.
That said, I think most or all of this effect is going to end up being swallowed up by selection bias. There was another article at THT about 3 months ago which argued pretty persuasively that foul balls before 2 strikes and foul balls after 2 strikes are qualitatively different results that are achieved by qualitatively different hitters. One of the corrolaries to this is that the guys who foul off a lot of pitches before 2 strikes tend to be sluggers, and guys who foul off a lot after 2 strikes tend to be bat-control types. Not to put too fine a point on it, the sluggers are better at hitting.
I think what this effect is showing is that the kind of players who foul off pitches before two strikes are better than the kind of players who don’t, but I think that would hold true largely regardless of the situation.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 3:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting points.
Particularly:
“I think what this effect is showing is that the kind of players who foul off pitches before two strikes are better than the kind of players who don’t, but I think that would hold true largely regardless of the situation.”
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 12, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swinging versus Fouled Strikes
I took a look at percentages of swinging vs. called strikes for both pitchers and batters in 2007 (over 500 strikes).
Pitchers:
Highest Percentage Swinging Strikes
Johan Santana – 27%
John Smoltz – 27%
Robinson Tejeda – 26%
Shaun Marcum – 25%
Cole Hamels 25%
Highest Percentage Fouls Below 2 Strikes
Randy Wolf – 31%
Matt Garza – 30%
Matt Cain – 30%
Micah Owings – 30%
Carlos Silva – 30%
Highest Percentage Fouls at 2 Strikes
Scott Baker – 18%
Ramon Ortiz – 16%
Aaron Harang – 15%
Dave Bush – 15%
Paul Byrd – 15%
(7 others at 15%)
Batters:
Highest Percentage Swinging Strikes
Miguel Olivo – 37%
Delmon Young – 34%
Jeff Francouer – 33%
Sammy Sosa – 33%
Geoff Jenkins – 32%
Highest Percentage Fouls Below 2 Strikes
Johnny Estrada – 38%
Vladimir Guerrero – 36%
Matt Holliday – 35%
Dmitri Young – 34%
Tony Pena – 34%
Robinson Cano – 34%
Highest Percentage Fouls at 2 Strikes
A.J. Pierzynksi – 19%
Johnny Estrada – 17%
Ivan Rodriguez – 17%
Jeff Francouer – 16%
Juan Uribe – 16%
(4 others at 16%)
Lots of catchers on that list.
And because Paul brought it up,
Lowest Percentage Fouls Before 2 Strikes
Joe Mauer – 14%
JJ Hardy – 15%
Reggie Willits – 15%
Bobby Abreu – 15%
Rickie Weeks – 16%
Dan Johnson – 16%
Lowest Percentage Fouls at 2 Strikes
Brian Giles – 7%
Troy Glaus – 8%
Ryan Howard – 8%
Bobby Abreu – 9%
Bobby Crosby – 9%
(8 others at 9%)
I’ll try to answer Peter’s question tomorrow.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Sep 12, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff!
That list of pitchers who get the most fouls before 2 strikes is fascinating. Great stuff/medicore command Garza and Cain; bad stuff great command Silva; mediocre overall Wolf and Owings.
And it’s always fun to see Vladimir Guerrero and Tony Pena on the same list for hitters.
by Peter Bendix on Sep 15, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some data concerns
After doing a little more poking around this weekend, I’m not sure I can use the Retrosheet data for this type of analysis. It looks like the pitch sequence field is wrong in at least 10% of the plate appearances, which definitely calls into question my data set.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Sep 15, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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