Beyond the Box Score: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: UNC 77, Ohio State 73

The Other Side is a Good Story Too

I read The Big Lead on a daily basis and I found this pretty laughable. First the list put they put forth was created by David Pinto, who does absolutely great work, but was focusing more on sabermetric connections than actual sabermetric front offices. I asked a scout (which is a sin for saber guys) to give me a list of teams he knew were saber. He responded with these teams: Arizona, Boston, Cleveland, Oakland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Diego, Tampa Bay, Texas, and Toronto.

 

Star-divide

Putting that into perspective we have two division leaders and a wild card leader amongst the group along with St. Louis who are in the playoff race. We also have two last place teams in Pittsburgh and San Diego, and a handful of middle of the pack teams with Cleveland, Oakland, Texas, and Toronto.

Putting that together we have an average winning percentage of .501, I did the same with all of the traditionally ran teams -- which are apparently not having a down year -- and their combined winning percentage was .4998, or if you choose to round up .500.

Those silly saber teams are actually winning more often this season than their counterparts. As I've stated before the best ran organizations are the ones that mix quantitative analysis with scouting ability; look at Boston with Theo Epstein, Jed Hoyer, and Ben Cherrington, or Tampa with Andrew Friedman, James Click, and R.J. Harrison (whom by the way have been in place since late 2005, to place the blame for prior seasons on them is laughable.)

That took about ten minutes to figure out, but let's remember this part of that post: "It'll be interesting to see if statistical baseball analysis doesn't really work what this crash will look like." If it doesn't really work out? You mean like how Cleveland traded their ace and is only three games below .500? Or how Tampa went from never winning more than 70 to being on the verge of 81 before September? Or how three sabermetric teams could potentially wind up in the top three of the American League East despite the Yankees financial advantages?

Most teams are saber as a way of being cost efficient. On average those 10 saber teams rank 18th in payroll, which seems to suggest they're at a disadvantage in at least one resource. Here are the team by team rankings:

Team Rank
Arizona 23
Boston 4
Cleveland 16
Oakland 28
Pittsburgh 17
San Diego 19
St. Louis 11
Tampa Bay 29
Texas 21
Toronto 12


Of course making jokes about how "their math is wrong" is cute and all, but what's the traditional equivalent for Seattle, Baltimore, or Washington? That's not to say I don't agree that their math is silly, at best, I mean last year Boston, Cleveland, Arizona, and San Diego (lost in the one game playoff) qualified for the playoffs.

When your population is only a handful of teams who are usually at a disadvantage in financial resources and you're still taking 50% of the playoff positions, I'd say your shit works.

0 recs  |  Comment 0 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

We use numbers and stuff.
Community Guidelines
Why be a member?
Start posting on Beyond the Box Score »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
PZR-based Win Values 2001-2006

Recent FanPosts

Small
Determining Batted Ball Rates using Pitch Type and Location
Small
a new xBABIP calculator
Img587561916661595
Top 15 high school MLB draft prospects
Small
The "30 parks on a budget" challenge
Sunflower_small
World Series Simulation, Game #6
Small
JT20 Dynasty League
E52205a2_small
New Look
Sth70021_small
Exploring Hit f/x, Albeit Badly
Redcap_small
Ricky Nolasco: 4 WAR or 1 WAR?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Primer on BaseRuns
Cool Baseball Infographics
ESPN's Jerry Crasnick on defensive metrics
I’m also a follower, since Brian Bannister’s on our team, of sabermetric st...
Top Ten Baseball-Reference.com's Sponsorships
Primer on Linear Weights
JC Bradbury on "Hot Stove Myths"
Everyone Should Learn to Throw a Cutter
Criminals of WAR
Ten statisticians you should know about

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

BtB on Twitter

Main Feed: @BtBScore

Tommy B: @tommy_bennett
Sky: @BtB_Sky
Dan: @dturkenk
Harry: @harrypav
Jinaz: @jinazreds
Jack: @jh_moore
Erik: @Erik_Manning
Tommy R: @trancel
Justin: @justinbopp

Subscribe to BtB via Email

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner

BtB Goes Social


Managers

Nando_small R.J. Anderson

Limes_125_small Sky Kalkman

E52205a2_small Tommy Bennett

Editors

Face_small Harry Pavlidis

Rawlings_baseball_bigger_small Dan Turkenkopf

770insig_small Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal)

Aviles_small Justin Bopp

Authors

Banny_small erik

Raysring1_small Tommy Rancel

Jinaz-reds-avatar_small JinAZ

Jmlogo_small Jack Moore

1753738656_110919ebe9_o_small vivaelpujols

1_small Graham

Baseball_small Mike Rogers

Redcap_small SFiercex4

Small Patrick Clark

Walter_album_small Walter Fulbright