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Introducing JustVORP

One of the most popular sabermetric statistics ever invented is VORP, Baseball Prospectus' measure of offensive value over replacement player.  Not only does it measure offense, it compares each player to his positional peers, because a catcher with an .800 OPS is much more valuable than a first baseman with an .800 OPS.  We've all gotten a lot of mileage from VORP over the years, so kudos to Keith Woolner and BPro for that.

But VORP also has its flaws:

  1. It's based on Equivalent Average MLV, which underrates walks.
  2. It doesn't account for league quality.
  3. It defines replacement-level in a funky way.  80% of league-average RC/out isn't a bad choice (although it's slightly high), but that number changes to 85% for catchers and 75% for 1B and DH.  Why?  Uh...  good question.  VORP ends up overrating 1B/DH's and underrating catchers.
  4. It uses offensive averages to define the defensive spectrum instead of actual differences in defensive value.  Why is that a mistake?  Because it makes DH look like a tougher position to play than 1B and LF/RF, since DHs hit worse as a group.  And also because you'll get seasons like 1961 when CFs outhit LFs.  Do we really think CF is an easier position to play when that happens?  No.

Fortunately, mere mortals can come along and stand on the shoulders of the giants before them.  Justin is one of those mortals, and for the past year he has calculated the statistics necessary to produce a better version of VORP.  I'm going to call it JustVORP.  Conveniently, it solves all the problems listed above:

  1. It's based on park-adjusted linear weights, derived from BaseRuns.
  2. It accounts for the talent difference between the AL and NL.
  3. It defines replacement level as 73% and 78% of league-average offense (depending on league).  That number ignores position, because...
  4. It uses the proper defensive spectrum, based on relative difficulties of playing each position.  And the position adjustment is added in after the offensive component is calculated.  Offense is offense, but it has more value depending on the position it comes from.

As a reminder, here are the position adjustments over a full season:

CA: +12.5 runs

SS: +7.5 runs

2B/3B/CF: +2.5 runs

LF/RF: -7.5 runs

1B: -12.5 runs

DH: -17.5 runs

Now, like VORP, JustVORP is obviously missing a significant piece of the puzzle, namely fielding relative to position.  But that's half the beauty -- with the wide variety of fielding metrics available, you can pick the one you're most comfortable with, like UZR.  Or average some together.  Or use the Fans Scouting Report.  Or use 2009 projections.

Click here to download full 2008 JustVORP data, complete with a pivot table ready to help you slice and dice.  Here's the top twenty-five:

Player JustVORP
Albert Pujols 78
Hanley Ramirez 76
Chipper Jones 68
Manny Ramirez 68
Grady Sizemore 66
David A Wright 65
Alex Rodriguez 62
Jose Reyes 59
Lance Berkman 57
Chase Utley 56
Carlos Beltran 55
Joe Mauer 54
Mark Teixeira 53
Dustin L Pedroia 53
Brian Roberts 52
Nick Markakis 52
Ryan Ludwick 52
Josh H Hamilton 52
Brian M McCann 51
Curtis Granderson 49
Nate McLouth 48
Ian M Kinsler 47
Carlos J Quentin 46
Matt T Holliday 46
Kevin E Youkilis 46

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Simply amazing.

The work by Beyond the Box Score and related people in the offseason has been outstanding.

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by Kyle Boddy on Dec 8, 2008 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

Very Interesting

I’m going to look into to it further. I see that the analysis is limited to hitters. Any plans to extend it to pitchers?

by prhood on Dec 8, 2008 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

You need a different methodology for pitchers, because of the whole DIPS thing.

I prefer RAR for pitchers based on tRA and xIP, like I presented in a recent article. Graham’s given the go-ahead to distribute his statcorner data freely, so I’ll have a spreadsheet available in the next few days.

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by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting stuff

Just one thing: I thought VORP was based on Marginal Lineup Value, not EqA, as explained in Tango’s deconstruction of VORP anyway.

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by baetown415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

You are correct.

RARP is based on Equivelent Average, and doesn’t have a (big) problem with walks. RARP really is not a bad statistic in and of itself.

by cwyers on Dec 8, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

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