Homer Bailey for Jermaine Dye?
[ED: And now there's a report out stating the previous report is bull. Making the following analysis irrelevant. Yay!]
Bailey went from one of the shining stars of Cincy's future to being dealt for a 35 year old corner outfielder, odd. Kenny Williams continues his run of off-season trading, and chalks up his first clear victory to go along with a questionable Nick Swisher move and the Javier Vazquez swap.
The Reds acquire Dye, coming off a .376 wOBA season in which he hit 34 homeruns and a higher percentage of line drives than any season since post-2002. The bat isn't the issue here, and Dye's Marcels projection calls for a .359 wOBA. Defensively, Chone has Dye projected at -6 runs, UZR had him at -15.1 (regular, not per 150 games), Justin at -7, and PMR -9.83. That's an average around -9, and if that's the case Dye's worth 2.2 WAR, or 11.05 million. That suggests Dye's salary isn't an issue, but what about the price paid in talent?
Bailey has a track record of minor league success that hasn't translated to the majors yet. The upside of those numbers translating is worth one (perhaps two) years of Dye. It's worth noting that Bailey only has 81 innings of major league exposure. Sure, his 5.58 FIP during that span is lackluster, as are his strikeout, walk, and homerun rates, but we're still talking about 80 innings from a 22-year-old starter. The Reds apparently soured on Bailey in part because of his bothersome demeanor, and yet, this isn't a move the Reds should've made. They're not extraordinarily high on the win curve (70ish) and best case scenario involves a dog fight for the wild card. I'm just not sure what this move accomplishes.
Whether Bailey withers or lives up to his potential is irrelevant. It's almost never a good idea to trade a young starting pitcher with a track record of solid minor league performance for an old corner outfielder with iffy defense. Dye's value will likely outweigh Bailey next season, and perhaps in 2010, but come 2011 the White Sox will have Bailey for an additional four seasons while Dye is either retired or close to it. At that point, I would fully expect Bailey's average season to be better than 2.2 WAR (about 180 innings, 4.59 FIP,adjust either as needed)
Kudos to Williams. Questionable for Walt Jocketty.
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Krazy Kenny Strikes Again
Is he the most unpredictable GM of our era?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 7, 2008 9:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe?
Beane is probably up there too.
Williams isn’t boring, that’s for sure.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's fun to be a White Sox fan in the offseason
if not sometimes infuriating. See: Rowand for Thome, prospects for Swisher, Swisher for crap
But then he makes up for it with a Quentin or Danks or Floyd acquisition and all is well again.
It could be… interesting to watch the White Sox bottom of the order, if things stand. I though 600 AB’s between Anderson and Owens was fun from 06-07, and Mackowiak and Swisher were fun to watch in center… hoo boy.
Bailey is the ultimate wild-card here, but here’s to hoping Jocketty didn’t learn his lesson in the Mulder deal.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 7, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams does seem to like buying low on former top prospects.
It’s one of his strengths.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE that strategy, by the way.
When prospect flameouts become above-average players a few years after they were supposed to be stars, I think it’s awesome. Chris Iannetta was a favorite this year.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice move
This seems like a heist indeed. Will the Sox have him work on a cutter? Seems to be their M.O. (see Danks) and they talk about it as an organizational competency. Teaching the cutter, that is. I think he Bailey may have thrown a few cutters in 2007 ….
by Harry Pavlidis on Dec 7, 2008 9:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You would know better than I.
By the way, you wouldn’t happen to have a file with minor league PitchFx numbers, would you? I wanted to see if Jason Childers changed anything from his major league stint, but um, I’m a PitchFx newbie.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
No Minor league f/x yet.
by Harry Pavlidis on Dec 7, 2008 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed nearly every pitcher has a hard slider in their arsenal
on the White Sox, though some tend to use it infrequently.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 7, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Homer does throw a cutter
He has been throwing it since 2007.
by dougdirt on Dec 7, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Happy about Mo
With moves like this from Jocketty, I am glad the cardinals now have Mo making the moves. He hasn’t proved anything yet but I like his two biggest moves so far: Greene for RH reliever and Glaus for Rolen
by thoran85 on Dec 7, 2008 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think its been debunked.
The story may be false.
Jon Garland, pleasepleaseplease accept arbitration. Your mad iNNiNgZ eAtEr sKiLLz will be greater exemplified in next year's free agent class. kthxbai.
by Blicks on Dec 7, 2008 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that dog's don't lay eggs
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to jump on trades that look too good to be true. :(
To be fair, we didn’t jump on the Renteria “signing” or Jack Wilson trade.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 7, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it's a good look at Dye's value, which is relevant since he does appear on the trade block.
He’s being paid about what he’s worth on the FA market, so it’s really not worth giving up much to trade for him.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hal McCoy has a prior track record of jumping the gun
In 2006 he reported that the Reds hired Jim Beattie as their new GM. They actually hired Wayne Krivsky a few days later.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2008 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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