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Welcome to Saber-Friendly Blogging 101

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Here's a statement that shouldn't surprise you: I'm a fan of sabermetric analysis.  Numbers are awesome.  Logic and objectivity are preferable to soap boxes and subjectivity.  Unfortunately, most mainstream writers and many online blogs don't provide me with the saber-friendly content I want to read.  And I often wonder why so many people refuse to write with a sabermetric slant.

Thanks to chuckb over at viva el birdos, I now realize I've been making an an incorrect assumption.  Writers aren't choosing not to take a sabermetric approach -- they often just don't know how (or what to write about).

Therefore, I'm going to start a new series here at Beyond the Box Score called Saber-Friendly Blogging 101.  Under a yet-to-be-determined schedule, I'll be presenting a variety of article ideas (using sabermetric principles) that bloggers can adapt into posts for their team-specific blogs.

I'll provide the concept and background information.  I'll point out where you can find the necessary data (or provide it myself).  I'll answer questions in the comments.  You simply provide the analysis for your favorite team.

As an added bonus, this project will hopefully end up serving as a home base for baseball fans who would like to read related saber-friendly content written by die-hard fans of many different teams.  So if you use an article idea I suggest, let me know, and I'll provide a link to it from the original BtB post.  (A link back to the BtB article in your piece will facilitate the sharing.)

Is this something you and your blog would be interested in doing?  Do you have a way to make it better?  Do you have a specific topic you'd like help tackling?  If so, let me know in the comments, or email me.

And, because procrastination is for losers, here's the first installment, maybe a bit on the basic side, or maybe not...

Star-divide

BABIP -- batting average on balls in play.  BABIP is just the percentage of batted balls that turn into hits, but those five letters are often interpreted as an instant argument for why a pitcher was lucky or unlucky in regards to his ERA.  Why?

Pitchers have a lot of control over certain outcomes, namely strikeouts and walks.  They have a modest amount of control over others, like allowing homeruns.  But when the ball is put into the field of play, there isn't a strong difference in the abilities of MLB pitchers to induce outs versus hits.  For established MLB pitchers, the range of talent levels on BABIP falls mostly between .290 and .310.  Therefore, BABIPs below .290 help bring a pitcher's ERA below what it "should" be, thanks to good fielding, park effects, and luck.  BABIPs above .310 inflate a pitcher's ERA.

Let's give this a quick test.  Among pitchers with 120 innings in both 2007 and 2008, here are those with the highest BABIPs in 2007, along with their 2008 BABIPs, and 2007 and 2008 ERAs.  See a pattern?  (Hint: the high 2007 BABIPs regress strongly towards .300 in 2008, and the ERAs tend to come down significantly.  Yes, there are exceptions, like Kevin Millwood and Scott Kazmir, but holding steady at worst is fine when most of the time the trend holds true.)

Name BABIP 07 ERA 07 BABIP 08 ERA 08
Scott M Olsen  .341 5.81 .258 4.20
Edwin Jackson  .341 5.76 .302 4.42
Kevin Millwood  .340 5.16 .355 5.07
Mike Mussina  .340 5.15 .321 3.37
Scott E Kazmir  .333 3.48 .265 3.49
Felix A Hernandez  .333 3.92 .314 3.45
Brian Burres  .333 5.95 .322 6.04
Odalis Perez  .332 5.57 .316 4.34
Jose Contreras  .326 5.57 .294 4.54
Andy Sonnanstine  .326 5.85 .302 4.38
Jorge A de la Rosa  .325 5.82 .319 4.92
Ervin R Santana  .324 5.76 .289 3.49

So what does BABIP say about next year?  Here are the twenty pitchers with the highest BABIPs in 2008 with at least 120 IP.  You would expect these guys to post much better ERAs in 2009, all else being equal.

Name IP ERA   BABIP
Kevin Millwood  168.7 5.07 .355
Ian D Snell  164.3 5.42 .351
Livan Hernandez  139.7 5.48 .345
Carlos Silva  153.3 6.46 .342
Nate Robertson  168.7 6.35 .341
Garrett A Olson  132.7 6.65 .335
Andy Pettitte  204.0 4.54 .333
Manny Parra  166.0 4.39 .327
Brandon Backe  166.7 6.05 .324
Doug Davis  146.0 4.32 .322
Brian Burres  129.7 6.04 .322
Mike Mussina  200.3 3.37 .321
Jorge A de la Rosa  130.0 4.92 .319
Kenny Rogers  173.7 5.70 .318
Jonathan O Sanchez  158.0 5.01 .317
Javier Vazquez  208.3 4.67 .316
Odalis Perez  159.7 4.34 .316
Zach Duke  185.0 4.82 .315
Josh Beckett  174.3 4.03 .315
A.J. Burnett  221.3 4.07 .314

And here are the twenty pitchers with the lowest BABIPs in 2008 with at least 120 IP.  These guys should see their ERAs rise in 2009, all else being equal.

Name IP ERA   BABIP
Justin Duchscherer  141.7 2.54 .235
David T Bush  185.0 4.18 .236
Armando Galarraga  178.7 3.73 .236
Tim Wakefield  181.0 4.13 .239
Shaun M Marcum  151.3 3.39 .245
Gavin C Floyd  206.3 3.84 .256
Gregory Smith  190.3 4.16 .256
Scott M Olsen  201.7 4.20 .258
Daisuke Matsuzaka  167.7 2.90 .258
Cole Hamels  227.3 3.09 .259
Jeremy Guthrie  190.7 3.63 .259
Tim Hudson  142.0 3.17 .262
Todd Wellemeyer  191.7 3.71 .264
Scott E Kazmir  152.3 3.49 .265
Joe Saunders  198.0 3.41 .266
John E Lannan  182.0 3.91 .266
John Maine  140.0 4.18 .266
Ted Lilly  204.7 4.09 .270
Carlos Zambrano  188.7 3.91 .270
Matt Garza  184.7 3.70 .270

All data taken from The Hardball Times.  To get BABIP, simply subtract DER from 1.

Ideas for your team blog:

  • Explain what BABIP measures and why it matters.
  • Present 2008 BABIP data for pitchers with significant innings and discuss which of them should see their ERAs rise or fall in 2009.
  • Present the team BABIP and if it's significantly different from .300, discuss possible explanations: park, defense, luck, etc.
  • Get historical. Find some pitchers over the last ten years with large ERA swings from year to year and see if BABIP is the cause.  BABIP can also often explain one-year wonders.
  • Take a look at potential trade and free agent targets and see if their 2008 ERAs are inflated or deflated by BABIP.

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I like the idea, but ...

couldn’t other sites with the information be used in order to free up time to work on other “ideas” and “projects”.

by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Dec 3, 2008 12:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like that.

Some future ideas:

  • providing Justin’s stats with a pre-made pivot table to slice and dice team data.
  • providing fielding data by position with pre-made pivot table
  • providing the tools to project WAR

others?

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 3, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really like the idea of providing tools

Most, if not all, people can plug in variables for a given equation. While some might not want to give up their more original/awesome equations, basic ones would be helpful. The important part wouldn’t be the equation either, such as the tools to project WAR, but the team specific analysis that a diehard fan would be able to provide.

by Sokojoe on Dec 4, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the concept

And I’ll read it, but since my blogging mainly consists of links to other blogs, I’ll just link back to you.

I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.

by KLSnow on Dec 3, 2008 5:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully we'll get enough other sites participating to make that worthwhile.

I could see this being a big hit or a big flop. Feedback will be important.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 3, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the shout-out, Sky

and for getting this going. One thing I’ve learned is that we learn more and more as we do this. I’m smart enough to know what I don’t know and smart enough to know to stop here first in order to find the answer.

One new thing Azruavatar created over at VEB is an index of sorts for specific saber-related articles. It’s more for general concepts and definitions and, as we add questions — where do I find _______________ — it will be updated to help people find the info. I hope everyone feels free to use this for general saber-friendly info.

by chuckb on Dec 3, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey Sky

Interested to know what you think of this BABIP discussion something a friend of mine and I had on a now-defunct blog at the beginning of the 2008 Season.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2163093864835052261&postID=5650292108914644369&pli=1

If you have time to read it (it’s summed up well enough in the comments, otherwise it’s just a long discussion) let me know what you think.

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Dec 3, 2008 11:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

by the way

love your work

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Dec 3, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing though

that BABIP for pitchers is tied in with how good the defense for the middle infield is… St. Louis pitchers would probably have a lower BABIP than most teams I would guess.

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2008 1:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, definitely.

You can find team DER (1-BABIP) in the team section of Baseball Prospectus’ stats. The Cards are in the top third of MLB teams. You can also use team-level fielding stats to see something similar, like with Justin’s combined zone rating stats.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 4, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DER is THT's stat, DEF EFF is BABIPs.

I think they’re basically the same though.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 4, 2008 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Should be, although there can be differences between all three (including BABIP)

errors, sac flies, sac bunts, etc. I’d more pay attention to the relative rankings than exact numbers without figuring out the exact formulas.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 4, 2008 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Appreciate the article, but

Why can’t BABIP signify pitching skill?

It seems to be like Cole Hamels and (especially) Tim Wakefield would have predictably low BABIP bc their stuff is filthy, fools hitters, and therefore induces a lot of weak contact.

Millwood, however, gets hit hard when he gets hit. That’s a product of him not fooling hitters.

Does BABIP jump around significantly from year-to-year to support your assertion that the BABIP is mostly dependent on factors other than the pitchers’ skills?

by BuckyB on Dec 5, 2008 4:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

read this

Here is a pretty groundbreaking piece written a few years ago that caused a lot of debate among SABR scholars. It’s not perfect, as he makes a lot of bold assumptions, but I think the imortant thing that comes away from this is that a pitcher doesn’t have nearly as much control over balls in play as was commonly assumed. Much of a pitcher’s hits allowed on balls in play is as a result of defense and his own defensive ability (and also luck).

by oxsnard on Dec 6, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There IS some BABIP skill. It's just that it's no where near as wide as observed BABIPs.

My unscientific estimate is that 95% of MLB pitchers have a true skill on BABIP falls between .290 and .310. And this theory doesn’t apply to pitchers breaking into MLB. Some ARE just more hittable and never adapt.

But how about these career BABIPs, from some of the best modern pitchers:
Pedro: .291
Clemens: .294
Randy: .302
Maddux: .289
Sabathia: .297
Halladay: .297

There’s some filthy stuff in there, no?

Now, about Cole Hamels. He plays in a bandbox, so lots of doubles off the wall turn into homeruns (and thus don’t count as balls-in-play. So, his fielders have less ground to cover. Plus, Philadelphia has some awesome fielders (Utley, Rollins, Felix, Victorino, Werth). Filthy stuff tends to result in more strikeouts, fewer homeruns, and fewer walks (because the pitchers can attack the strikezone more without fear of hard-hit balls). Filthy stuff doesn’t really affect BABIP as much as most people think. Oh, and his career BABIP is “only” .284.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 6, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

blogging

Sky,

I used to read you all the time at skyking162 (commented as "dan"), but kind of lost track of your work when you moved over here. I actually just started a saber-friendly blog about two weeks ago, so this will be a great help.

http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/

by dcn29 on Dec 6, 2008 3:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Love it

I absolutely love the new doors these stats open up for a fan like me. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around these things for the past year or so, although I must admit that the acronyms confuse me at times because I can’t keep them straight.

I just found out about this site. Great stuff.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Dec 9, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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