Here we go again, this year's HOF voting

by RollingWave on Dec 2, 2008 2:08 AM EST Comment 18 comments

• Harold Baines
• Jay Bell
• Bert Blyleven
• David Cone
• Andre Dawson
• Ron Gant
• Mark Grace
• Rickey Henderson
• Tommy John
• Don Mattingly
• Mark McGwire
• Jack Morris
• Dale Murphy
• Jesse Orosco
• Dave Parker
• Dan Plesac
• Tim Raines
• Jim Rice
• Lee Smith
• Alan Trammell
• Greg Vaughn
• Mo Vaughn
• Matt Williams

Here we go again, let's see how many idiots vote for Dan Plesac this year?

Ricky is a obvious no-brainer, Big-Mac would be too if wasn't for that which shall not be named.

Amoung others, Raines / Blyleven should be in but would likely take awhile.

Jim Rice will get in... is there really that much of a difference between him and Parker / Murphy / Baines / Vaugh ? hell I'd take TJ / Smith / Trammell if Rice is in.

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Rickey's induction speech will be glorious.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 2, 2008 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

If Don Mattingly gets in

I might take hostages.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 2, 2008 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

not saying that mattingly should be in

but there are worse players who are. I think Mattingly’s case is at least as strong as Orlando Cepeda’s, for instance. Cepeda had longevity, but Mattingly had a much better peak. If he hadn’t had back problems (although this is not necessarily something the Hall should consider), I think he might be an obvious pick, based on his offensive numbers early in his career, fielding reputation throughout his career and MLB-wide (red sox fans notwithstanding, I suppose) popularity.

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Dec 7, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is why I like the idea of letting the number of players in the Hall of Fame determine how big it should be...

But not using the actual NAMES of the players in the Hall of Fame determine the level of talent required to get in. Right now, there are 62 pitchers in the Hall. I think we can agree that at least a few aren’t deserving. So when arguing, Blyleven’s Hall of Fame chances, we shouldn’t compare Blyleven to these undeserving players (or anyone just because they’re in the Hall). We should rank all the pitchers in history, and ask ourselves if Blyleven is one of the 62 best pitchers ever. If yes, he’s in. If not, he’s not.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 7, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree completely

As I said, I’m not arguing for Mattingly because Cepeda’s in. In my opinion, Cepeda shouldn’t be in, so that’s really not an argument for Mattingly. Still, I can’t bring myself to argue against donnie b because — as much as I hate the Skanks — he was my hero growing up. Heck, there’s still a poster of him up in my old room at my Ma’s house.

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Dec 7, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A whole lot of Cubs' fans

are gonna be ticked when Gracy doesn’t come near a HOF induction.

by dakoose on Dec 2, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Let's try using these nested comments in a constructive way.

I’m going to post some replies to this comment, each with the name of a player listed above. All I’d like in response to those comments are links to quality articles for or against the HoF candidacy of the player. Then, we can recommend the links that we like.

If you want to make your own arguments, start a new sub-thread.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 2, 2008 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs