F.A.T.: LOOGYs
LOOGYs are funny. Teams will overpay for something so easily found throughout the minor leagues and scrap yards. Here's the list of guys worth keeping in mind for your team that won't run you a great ransom.
John Rheinecker via mlb.mlb.com
John Rheinecker is perhaps the most interesting of the list. A former first (actually supplemental) round pick of the Oakland Athletics, Rheinecker was dealt in March of 2006 in a deal that netted the Cubs Freddie Bynum, the Athletics Juan Dominguez, and the Rangers John Koronka as well as Rheinecker. In 2006 Rheinecker was primarily used as a starter (13 of his 21 appearances), his starts would be curbed in 2007 but one thing remained: struggles against right-handed hitting. Rheinecker missed 2008 due to a surgery to remove a rib as well as arthroscopic shoulder surgery that caused him to miss almost the entirety of the season. Astoundingly good against lefties, Rheinecker is only 29 and pitches in the mid-80's, but still finds a way to get more than 9% swinging strikes.
The first of a pair of Twins on this list, Florida Atlantic University alumni Carmen Cali is a 30 year old who sits in the lower-90's. Last seen in the majors with the Twins in 2007, and the Cardinals in 2004/2005 Cali's control has abandoned him in his major league stints. He gets nearly 11% swinging strikes, and nearly 55% groundballs. Cali is at least worth a look as a non-roster invitee. Also has the best name of the list: Carmen Salvatore Cali.
Minnesota's other offering, Mariano Gomez, is 26 years old and finally reached Triple-A in 2008 after spending parts of four seasons in Double-A. The promotion only occurred after Gomez was signed by the Twins as a minor league free agent. At 6'6" Gomez is more intimidating than you'd except from a LOOGY, one not named Billy Traber at least, and got a decent amount of strikes swinging at 9.3%.
Ian Ostlund is 30 years old and a Tommy John Surgery survivor (yes, survivor). Last season he got 11% swinging strikes and had a 2.94 FIP, impressive, add in a 2.18 BB/9 and there is little to question, except his GB%. Ostlund only gets 36.55 grounders, but he didn't give up a ton of homeruns. Odds are that changes a bit in the majors, but there's something decent about him considering the swinging strikes amount.
Then there's Royce Ring, Randy Williams, and Stephen Randolph. All former major leaguers who either got raw deals or deserve another shot.
Ring didn't pitch too much for the Braves, but was decent, not nearly as good as his major league career totals indicate he could be however. The former San Diego State closer throws in the upper 80's and has pitched for three teams since 2005.
Williams made appearances with the Padres and Rockies in 2005 and throws in the low 90's. Now 32, he has bounced around the past few seasons, starting with the Mariners in 2004, then the Padres/Rockies, then the Rangers, and last season the Marlins. He gets a ton of strikes swinging, and doesn't give up many homeruns, is prone to walking a few though.
Finally we reach 34 year old Stephen Randolph, who last spent time in the majors for the Astros in 2007, and in 2003/2004 for the Diamondbacks. He too sits in the low 90's, but got the most strikes swinging of anyone else on this list last season with 15.9%, he walked quite a few (nearly 6 per nine) but gave up only 0.38 homeruns per nine despite a 38 GB%.
Obviously there's no guarantee any or all of these guys are going to have their success carry over, but let's face it, any of them on a minor league deal (MiLD for shorthand) with an invite to spring training is better than spending a few million on Joe McLefty. Why? Because Joe McLefty would've been on this list seasons ago and makes a killing on GMs who aren't willing to take a shot on guys like Carmen Cali.
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if i might add a pet favorite of mine.
(there are tons of these guys, as you point out, so we could do this all day long.) joe torres. posted this on another site re: minor league free agents.
former top pick of the angels out of high school back in 2000. had a whole lot of injury issues and had control problems after them but seems to have solved those in AA in the white sox organization. i hear his formerly excellent stuff is still pretty good; i think he could be a decent to good LOOGY to start the season next year.
i hope he stays with the white sox but he’s out there right now for the taking.
Hadn't heard of him honestly.
But I was focusing on AAA relievers (so I had SwStr data to provide). Sounds interesting though.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 7, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't really expect anyone to have.
i just saw him in high school. man v. boys. always followed him since and was happy to see him land in my hometown organization. and, of course, i think people root for guys who have overcome serious obstacles like major injuries. just goes to show how many of these type of guys are out there who haven’t/don’t get a shot. my source in birmingham said he thought he could have easily pitched in the majors last year as a second LOOGY type. the talent was always there with him – i hope he gets a shot next year.
Ah, okay.
I don’t really know if you’d consider Thornton a LOOGY, but behind him there’s who? Logan? Ramirez? Maybe Richard?
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 7, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
not much.
again, i have a bias, but in my offseason plan i said i’d give torres a shot out of ST to be that guy. ramirez is gone. logan just seems to be an AAAA type. and richard is likely the sox 5th starter. so there’s a spot open in the bullpen, assuming one thinks one needs two lefties. and you can assume ozzie does.
Come on, RJ. Everyone knows that players we've all heard of perform better than names we don't recognize.
It’s totally worth spending a few extra million for a 54-year-old Jesse Orosco. He’s won a World Series!
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Dan Meyer just got claimed...
He should have a fine career as a lefty reliever who can throw in the mid-90s. I understand why the A’s ditched him, but he’ll be around a while.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Good point.
The Marlins are very good at getting F.A.T., it’s pretty impressive.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 7, 2008 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
How many WAR did they get from F.A.T. this last year?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 7, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh, good idea.
I’ll check and post the results.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
2008:
Uggla (if you still count him as F.A.T. still, I could go either way): 4.84
Cantu: 1.53
Helms: 0.15 (his first go around way much better)
Gonzalez: 0.3 (poor defense + position adjustment costs him)
Cody Ross: 3.75 (purchased a few years ago for nothing)
Jones/Lo Duca/McPherson didn’t get enough ABs to matter.
Total: 10.57 WAR for 4.06 million, or roughly 3 WAR per million spent.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
No wonder they thought below-replacement Jacobs was expendable
too rich for their blood at $3M…
I despise Jeffrey Loria, but his FO kicks ass. What’s their rep as far as “methodology” and stuff? I get the (perhaps false) impression it’s scouting-heavy, but they seem to be instinctively running a sabermetric franchise.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 8, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I've never really asked anyone who would know what Florida's FO is like.
Nobody really talks about them either, yet Hill/Beinfest continue to run decent teams out there at a low cost.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
In some ways, they deserve the scorn handed them, because they could definitely spend more and be more successful.
But in other ways, we shouldn’t care. They win as many, if not more, games than teams like Baltimore, who spend lots of money on crappy players. Would you rather root for a cheapskate smart team or a free-spending dumb team? I’d pick the first one, but I think the majority of fans would pick the second.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
But is that the FO's fault, or just Loria?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 8, 2008 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Loria sets the budget that the FO works with.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Love it that Lo Duca is now F.A.T.
what a piece of crap
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 8, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Slightly OT: More Mets inefficiency
Claudio Vargas was granted minor league free agency.
This is a guy who held righties to a .566 OPS this season, and had a 4.81 tRA* this season as a starter (4.34 as a reliever). And, he didn’t embarrass himself in the starts he did get.
Yes, this is somewhat irrelevant to LOOGYs, because Vargas is right handed, but still, he’d make a good pickup for somebody.
This.

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