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Yankees Bought Low on Nick Swisher

Flash back to last offseason. Kenny Williams traded Fautino De Los Santos, Ryan Sweeney, and Gio Gonzalez to Oakland for Nick Swisher – basically killing what was an already-barren farm system. It wasn’t a terrible trade at the time – personally, I didn’t mind the move but thought it was odd timing, considering that I didn’t think the White Sox would compete in 2008.

But then Swisher went and hit .219/.332/.410 and fell out of favor with Ozzie Guillen, riding the pine in favor of Dewayne Wise towards the end of the season. And now, Swisher has been dealt to the Yankees (along with minor leaguer Kanekoa Texeira) in exchange for Wilson Betemit, Jeffrey Marquez, and Jhonny Nunez.

Let’s start with what the White Sox received. Wilson Betemit is a pretty good player, with a career line of .260/.325/.437 and 42 homers in 1098 at bats. He has played every infield position over the last few years – although he hasn’t played any of them particularly well. Betemit will be 27 years old next year and will be eligible for arbitration for the next two years. Given his versatility and pop, he’s a solid bench player; however, he’s likely to be stretched if given the opportunity to play every day. He may be adequate at third base, sharing time with Josh Fields next season. However, that is probably Betemit’s ceiling.

Marquez is a ground ball machine who stopped getting as many grounders at triple-A this year. This bodes very poorly for him, considering he neither walks few enough nor strikes out enough batters to survive without excellent ground ball rates. In triple-A, Marquez induced grounders on 45% of his balls in play, and posted a 33/24 K/BB ratio in 80 innings. As you might imagine, this led to a less-than-impressive 6.67 tRA, and a tRA+ of 62. In triple-A.

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Marquez’s track record suggests that 2008 may have been somewhat of an aberration. In previous years, Marquez induced grounders on over 50% of his balls in play, and his K/BB ratio has hovered around 2-to-1. However, even when Marquez is at his best, he’s nothing better than a back-of-the-rotation starter – and it’s becoming increasingly less likely that he’ll ever reach that ceiling.

Should Nunez make it to the majors, he wouldn’t be the first “Jhonny” to play pro ball (Mr. Peralta has that covered). He has also been traded straight up in two separate deals before this, once for Marlon Anderson and another time for Alberto Gonzalez. The 22-year-old has pitched well throughout his minor league career, and posted a 116/33 K/BB ratio in 108 innings across high-A and double-A this year. Although his Wikipedia page claims that Nunez throws a sinker, he allowed more fly balls than grounders this year.

Perhaps the most ironic part of this trade is that in addition to obtaining Swisher, the Yankees got a decent minor league pitcher as well in Texeira. The 22-year-old Texeira spent the season as a reliever, splitting time between high-A and double-A. He posted impressive numbers, including a 60/21 K/BB ratio in 60 innings, while allowing only two homers. He also induced ground balls on 61% of his balls in play. Texeira may not be anything special, but those are above-average strikeout, walk, and ground ball numbers – all of which are excellent signs for the future.

And now the big prize: Nick Swisher. Sure, he hit very poorly this year (and was absolutely abysmal on the road, where he hit .189/.301/.294, as compared to .247/.361/.517 at home). That being said, Swisher’s career line is still .244/.354/.451 even after his poor season, he’s only 27 years old, he’s hit more than 20 homers in four straight seasons, he can play any outfield position and first base, and he’s under contract for the next three seasons for $22 million.

Furthermore, evidence suggests that Swisher was plagued by a lot of bad luck in 2008. His line-drive percentage was 20.9%, leading to an expected BABIP of .329. However, his actual BABIP was .248 – the fourth lowest in the American League, and the lowest of his career. His isolated power, walk rate, and strikeout rate remained essentially unchanged from 2007 to 2008.  Finally, in an upcoming study I co-authored on hitters’ BABIP, I found that Nick Swisher had the largest split of anyone in baseball between his expected BABIP (derived from a formula that includes many more variables besides just LD%) and his actual BABIP. The White Sox sold him incredibly low, and he’s a great bet to bounce back in 2009.

It’s not necessarily a bad thing to trade someone for less than you paid to acquire him. However, to what end was this trade made? The Sox are obviously not in re-building mode. They have a hole in center field and an aging, injury-prone first baseman – both positions can be filled by Swisher. Swisher is not expensive and is not old. Why trade him, especially for pennies on the dollar? Even if they don’t think he’s going to rebound, the players they received from the Yankees were not particularly difficult to find – if they really wanted to, I’m sure the White Sox could’ve found a way to extract Wilson Betemit (or someone like him) without giving up Swisher. There’s no reason why the White Sox should make this trade – especially so early in the offseason.

For the Yankees, this is an absolute no-brainer. Even if they’re not that high on Swisher, they’re parting with a bench player, a low-end pitching prospect, and another higher-risk prospect for Swisher (and a decent-looking pitching prospect to boot). Swisher can play center field and first base, the two areas where the Yankees currently have holes. The Yankees have enough flexibility that if Swisher continues to play terribly, or the Yankees sign someone like Mark Teixeira, they don’t have to keep running Swisher out there every day. Essentially, this is a no-risk move, and I’m almost always in favor of no-risk moves, especially when there’s a fair amount of upside, as is the case here.

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Swisher doesn’t play CF (where he was abosalutely attrocious this year.) it means he could at least push Damon back to CF. sure, at his age Damon’s probably not a good bet in CF either, but a Swisher / Damon LF / CF ‘s overall capcity is surely better than the Yankee’s current solution ….. Damon / Cabrera or Gardner in LF /CF …

I can’t believe the Yanks got him at this price, I was thinking about this trade but I thought the Yanks needed to either give up a truely solid prospect (say… at the very least Zach Mcallister of something) and / or swapping him with Johnny Damon .

If Swisher and Cano (another horriblly BABIP hit player this year) bounce back to their previous levels. then the Yankees are set, espically if they also land Teixeira, then I guess moving back towards the realm of 06/07 Yankee offense seems likely, and it’s probably a better defensive team to boot . (that depends a lot on Jorge Posada though)

by RollingWave on Nov 14, 2008 5:33 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been pushing for Damon to play center all year.

Glad to see the movement picking up steam. He’s projected by Sean to be -2 runs there (not including arm), but i wouldn’t be surprised if he were a bit worse than that. But his bat (even after coming down from a very good 2008 campaign) should be light years ahead of Melky and Gardner. Although, looking at Gardner’s MLE from AAA next year, I might give him a shot.

Very good trade for the Yankees, but a 1B/OF/DH isn’t exactly something they were Jonesing for. And if it removes their desire to sign Teixeira, well, eh.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Nov 14, 2008 10:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

their OF was a lot more of a problem this year than people realize, while the main focus were injuries to Posada (which was truely a horrific loss in terms of runs) and Wang and the ineffectiveness of Hughes etc… the OF was quietly taking their share of suck , with only Damon being a truely positive contributor there. CF couldn’t hit at all, and RF cough backed a ton of runs with the glove.

They really needed to do something with the OF if they were hoping to contend in 09 (which I guess ummm… being the yankees, they might be ;)) and espically with Damon’s contract running out soon too, they are going to need a OF or 2 (or 3) in the comming two season.

Reading your posts on defense also really got me thinking that the Yanks should try and make a run for either Brian Giles or Randy Winn, espically if they miss out on Teix. both are short term, and affordable, and almost surely avalible given the state of those two teams. the crop of FA of in 09 is pretty good (Holliday / Bay / Crawford) so they probalby need a splash there as well.

anyway, I agree with the premise that they really should still sign Teix, Swisher plays much more value if he’s the LF/RF, and Teix is clearly the better player as well.

I’d still do both CC and Teix, if monye is a concern you rather try and bargin hunt on the back end rotation then shoot for 2 mediocare pitcher instead of 1 great one.

by RollingWave on Nov 14, 2008 11:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

They should still sign Tex, as he’s the only player available who can make a true impact on both offense and defense. I agree that Brian Giles would also be a PERFECT fit, although there may be other teams that understand Giles’s value better than the Yankees, and thus would be willing to give up more to get him.

Winn would also be a nice fallback. An outfield of Swisher, Winn, and Damon would really neutralize Damon’s shortcomings in center while providing pretty good offense, too. Matsui could then be DHed and/or traded, depending on what happens with Posada.

If this move prevents the Yankees from trying to sign Tex, it’s bad. But I don’t think it will.

by Peter Bendix on Nov 14, 2008 11:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Defense may be undevalued in the game, but if the guy can still hit well above average for the position, if he’s a below average defender. Yeah, defense matters as much as offense, but not more.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 11:15 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a steal for NYY

and a real “WTF?!?!?!?” for the ChiSox. Kenny Williams may be the least predictable GM in baseball.

by BraveBronco0121 on Nov 14, 2008 9:11 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad trade for the ChiSox

Look out for that team sucking in about 2-3 years.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 14, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks kenny!

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 14, 2008 11:14 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

honestly though

I thought the White Sox would suck this year, they didn’t.

the entier ALC have been ridiculasly unpredicatable over the last 3 season, with everyone but the Royals seeing ridiculas rollercoaster rise and fall that doesn’t make and sense…. and i mean that from a statistical point of view.

Going into 08, you’d figure Cleveland and the Tigers were the main players, while the White Sox most likely hover around .500 ish, and the Twins and Royals both sucking.

well only the Royals sucking part came true, everything else went in reverse.. WTF!!!

in 07, you figure the White Sox would regress but it went way beyond prediction, you figure the Twins would contend… but they didn’t, you figure the Indians may be mediocarish, but they came out strong .

then back in 06, no one really could have saw the Tigers comming on at that pace.

seriously, the only thing left that the ALC can shock me now is the Royals suddenly making the playoffs. but they’re closer to being a non-bad team than most people realize.

by RollingWave on Nov 14, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree.

The entire Central was completely different than what I expected in 08. Thus, I’m hesitant to make any predictions for 09.

I agree with you that the Royals aren’t far from being a non-bad team. But the Twins and White Sox aren’t far from being non-good teams, either.

by Peter Bendix on Nov 14, 2008 11:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

The Royals making the playoffs wouldn’t shock me. At all. I see the Royals making it before the Tigers see it again.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 14, 2008 12:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

The Tigers are a mess…

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 14, 2008 12:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

White Sox is long overdue on a firesale, which makes this Swisher trade make even less sense. they’re what people thought the Yankees was except worse. overloaded with declining old players and lacking young talents. their only truely good young talent that I have strong faith going foward is Danks and Quienten at the moment. they seem likely to bomb badly sometime down the road and stay that way for a few year…

Twins was the most preplaxing team in the ALC this year, at least in the White Sox’s care you can understand that almost everything went right for them (except Nick Swisher) but in the Twin’s case, it was a truely WTF situation. Denard Span? who the hell is Brian Buscher ? Nick Punto almost league average?!?!?! They got a great pen which is sometimes a flucation of luck (though obviously Nathan really is good) their SPs weren’t that good but they all threw a ton of inning which helps a ton,.

I have no idea where they go from here, if guys like Span is real and guys like Young / Gomez break out I suppose they could be legit, but there seem to be some seirous room for regression as well, it’s really really weird.

by RollingWave on Nov 14, 2008 12:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Twins regression has a lot to do with the pitching.

The Twins will have their first three spots filled in Liriano, Baker, and Slowey.

Blackburn will probably give then 200 innings at around a 4.89 tRA, which is perfectly acceptable from a 4th/5th spot.

The big red flag, to me, is Glen Perkins. He had a tRA of 5.95, and a tRA+ of 78, well below average. Perkins is not going to put up the shiny smoke-and-mirrors act he did last year, and someone is going to have to take his spot.

I also don’t see an evident replacement for him in the minors, which will make it even more critical for the Twins to go in and pick up a cheap FA starter.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 14, 2008 12:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also,

The Twins hit ridiculously well with RISP in 2008. That’s unlikely to continue in 2009.

by Peter Bendix on Nov 14, 2008 1:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed on the ChiSox firesale though.

Danks, Ramirez, Floyd (granted there isn’t much regression) and Quentin will be around for a while. Poreda and Beckham are waiting in the wings.

However, the team is not structurally built to sustain long-term. I want to see some long-term minded moves. Selling off guys like Thome, Konerko, Dye, etc. would be beneficial to long term success.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 14, 2008 1:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The question is:

Can they remain successful in 09? I think the answer may be yes. Their window may be closing soon, but it’s not closed yet.

That being said, the Swisher trade makes EVEN LESS sense.

by Peter Bendix on Nov 14, 2008 1:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They can remain succesful in '09...

but they will probably be poised for a long-term run sooner if they abandon their attempts at a 2009 run and begin retooling for the future.

Also, a lot of those trade chips become less tradable as their contracts dwindle down. Trade for max value now.

This.

by Blicks on Nov 14, 2008 1:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I both agree and disagree.

I’m all for long-term moves, and I think these are often sacrificed for marginal short-term gains.

However, the White Sox are going to need to rebuild, whether now or soon. But their team, as currently constituted, may be the favorite to win the AL Central. Certainly, they’re in the mix. I think it’s rarely a good idea to re-build when you have an excellent chance of making the playoffs. Especially for a team like the White Sox, who have a rather large payroll.

by Peter Bendix on Nov 14, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's hard to say

I guess in the case of the ALC, everyone has a boatload of questionmarks that it might still be open. though the Twins and Royals are very likely to trend up if we go down the road in a couple of years time, the Indians depends a bit, the Tigers might have blown it though you never know.

by RollingWave on Nov 14, 2008 1:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'd say the team to beat next year is the twins.

though, as you point out, who the heck knows – things have been pretty wild recently.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 14, 2008 1:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The reason why the Swisher trade makes no sense

is that it effectively WAS a rebuilding trade, executed by a contending team, in an exceptionally poor manner.

It’s one thing to hold a fire sale when your negotiating position sucks and not get much for it (see the Marlins). After all, the original meaning of the term “fire sale” came from literally selling a house which was on fire for pennies on the dollar to someone else, who would extinguish the fire and keep the property. Kenny Williams’s strategy was apparently to take a house not on fire and light it on fire so that he could HAVE a fire sale.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2008 2:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

about the only justification

is that reinsdorf and the rest of the ownership group have mandated a slashing of payroll and this was just the first step in that process. of course, dye would still be the logical one to have dumped but we’ll see. i don’t see this as being a justification anyway considering the financial state of the white sox (very low debt, owners wealthy enough that recent downturn isn’t crimping their style, etc.).

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 14, 2008 3:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

i mean either way, Swisher is probably one of their top trade chip (of guys they might afford to trade anyway, obviously they weren’t trading Quienten / Danks) even dispite his poor season

by RollingWave on Nov 14, 2008 6:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dye is the only one of those who is reasonably tradeable.

and even he has a limited NTC (but it’s likely a moderate amount of teams, like 6-8). thome isn’t going to waive his NTC; he and his family like being close to his hometown. and why would anyone trade for konerko? declining skills, high price, and you’d likely need to give him something to waive his NTC. the white sox don’t eat salary, either. i don’t understand why swisher was the one traded instead of dye, of course, other than the now usual post-leaving “he was a terrible clubhouse presence” that we’ve come to expect from the white sox organization when a player leaves.

just like when god decides that your entire family should be brutally raped and murdered by neo-nazis, kenny williams is just testing our faith as a sox fans.

by larry on Nov 14, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like the Yankees need any more help

They should make fixing their defense a priority

by JI on Nov 14, 2008 1:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jay Mariotti thinks it was a bad trade for the Yankees

which is further evidence of why this was such a great deal for the Yanks. ha!

by JonBBT on Nov 14, 2008 8:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously?

He’s an even bigger moron then I already thought, then

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 9:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GIven the alleged tension with OzGui

you’d think Mariotti would love Swisher

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 15, 2008 11:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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