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Cubs Acquire Gregg from Marlins for Jose Ceda

Another deal nobody saw coming, or at least not in this form.

The Cubs featured two of the best relievers in the league last season with Carlos Marmol and Kerry Wood. Kevin Gregg is not quite at that level, in fact where as Marmol and Wood recorded over 40 leveraged runs saved, Gregg saved 20. That's a slight upgrade over Bobby Howry, who pitched more innings than Gregg, but finished with only 10 LRS, but then again, you have to consider Gregg's average leverage index was higher, after all he was the 9th inning guy in Florida. Gregg is apparently going to replace Wood at closer, which is a huge downgrade, probably worth two wins.

I have some questions about Gregg's 2009 performance as well. He has an impressive streak of four straight sub-4 FIP seasons under his belt, but I am concerned about his batted ball tendencies. Last year was the first time since 2005 that Gregg recorded more groundball outs than flyball outs. For his sake I hope he realizes how much more important this becomes as he moves from Dolphin Stadium (0.844 park factor for homeruns allowed) to Wrigley Field (1.163 park factor for homeruns allowed.) For a guy who saw a career low 4.4% of his flyballs become homeruns, I would get used to seeing quite a few more flying out of the ballpark.

Unfortunately for Gregg, keeping pitches low is one of the few factors he can control next season. Gregg has significantly outperformed his expected batting average on balls in play each of the last two seasons. Chicago had a defensive efficiency of .705 last season, second in the majors, which is an improvement of about .012 points over Florida's defense. The Cubs defense should pad a complete hits relapse, but it won't shelter him.

Jose Ceda is a soon-to-be 22 year old who split last season as a starter and reliever in Double-A Tennessee and Single-A Dayton. At Tennessee, Ceda posted a 2.76 tRA in 30 innings. Kevin Goldstein has him sitting anywhere from 94-98 with his fastball and good, if not consistent, slider. Odds are, Ceda will be in the majors as a reliever before 2009, and he very well could out pitch Gregg as soon as next August.

So what we're left with is the Cubs trading for a reliever unlikely to perform quite as well as he did in the past, trying to replace a significantly better reliever, and on top of it all trading someone who could be an equal within a single season. The best case scenario for Chicago would include Kerry Wood, but it seems the next best case is going to be Gregg posting a 4-ish FIP while not imploding enough to get ran out of town.

Oh, and the worst part is this is apparently all over saving a few million. I guess signing Jason Marquis and Kosuke Fukudome instead of using in-house replacements has some unwanted consequences.

Edit: Here's what I said a month ago about Gregg:

Kevin Gregg (ranks 81st in tRA for relievers)
Despite the nudge in walks and decrease in strikeouts Gregg has found a way to lower his homerun rates and maintains a solid FIP. He's not a bullpen ace, which is ironic because the Marlins knew as much when they made him into a closer, but he's not a bad pitcher either. Teams can do far, far worse in set-up roles than Gregg.

Does anyone think this is worth Ceda?

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This deal is significantly worse

If it is indeed a precursor to Kerry Wood signing elsewhere.

by Peter Bendix on Nov 13, 2008 4:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check out the thread on BCB.

Most Cubs fans are livid over this deal, myself included. As you said above, Gregg isn’t a good fit for Wrigley and thats not even the worst thing about this deal. Hendry traded 5-6 cost controlled years of Ceda(who projects to be an above average closer) for one year of Gregg. No matter how Hendry tries to spin this it makes little to no sense. Ceda is arguably as good of a pitcher as of now, I don’t see why this helps the Cubs, especially if Gregg becomes the closer. If anything, Marmol should take over ninth inning duties.
This deal could also have different ramifications. Ceda could very well be a player the Padres are interested in and now is one they can’t have.

by dakoose on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few on BCB did.

In fact there was an entirely new fanpost just to expand on it.

I wouldn’t say most though.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 13, 2008 11:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really, I kind of left the site after the thread got out of hand.

Once 20-30 comments came in per second I left the forum. Maybe there are more dumb Cubs fans that I originally thought. And even if the Padres were to somehow know for sure that Gregg would be better next year, it still would be in their best interest to go with Ceda, who would be making nothing for quite a while.

by dakoose on Nov 14, 2008 1:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ceda has real control problems...

…and when you sell high you end up taking risks that you didn’t, in fact, sell high. There’s a real chance that Ceda craters.

As for the difference between Wood and Gregg, I think people are overrating Wood’s 2008 performance.

by cwyers on Nov 13, 2008 7:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

woods time is over in chi-town

He wanted 3-4 yrs and big money to stay and I hear the cubbies knew he could get that and they respectfully declined. He will be sought after in the FA market but with a hefty price tag. The cubs spent so much last season they needed to cut back somewhere and marmol and gregg will be fine at the end of games.

A ball player's got to be kept hungry to become a big-leaguer. That's why no boy from a rich family ever made the big leagues. ~Joe DiMaggio, quoted in New York Times, 30 April 1961

by kdog on Nov 14, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly

A ball player's got to be kept hungry to become a big-leaguer. That's why no boy from a rich family ever made the big leagues. ~Joe DiMaggio, quoted in New York Times, 30 April 1961

by kdog on Nov 14, 2008 6:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as a cardinals fan

I fully endorse this deal.

the enemy's gate is down.

by SleepyCA on Nov 14, 2008 12:15 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as a brewers fan

agreed

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by jhmoore on Nov 14, 2008 1:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs

This was kind of stupid. The Longest tendered cubbie and they just let him walk. Imagine if he gets signed by the Astros or another division rival, and the cubs also got Gregg for cheap. The Marlins are rebuilding…. AGAIN.

The Trade-Maker

by dasox313 on Nov 15, 2008 11:54 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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