The Best Defenses of the Last Five Years
Defense is important. While we can quibble about the best ways to understand and evaluate individual defense (although Dan and Sky have done an excellent job), it’s hard to argue with Park Adjusted Defensive Efficiency (PADE) as an accurate measure of a team’s overall defense.
With that in mind, let’s take a look at team defense over the last five years. What follows below is a simple average of PADE ranking for each of the last five years, with comments following.
Analysis/thoughts after the jump.

Keep in mind, this is a simple average, and therefore is not necessarily predictive of the future. For example, it’s clear that Tampa Bay’s defense is going to be much better in the future than it has been over the last five years; however, it’s equally clear that their defense before 2008 (when they were third in PADE) was AWFUL (30, 30, 27, and 12 from 2007-2004, to be exact).
Here are some other notes/thoughts:
- San Francisco at the top of list is shocking to me. They’re generally known for being old, and for playing in a pitcher’s park, so their defensive prowess is surprising. I wonder if they actively seek defense, or if this is simply lucky byproduct.
- After San Fran, the next seven teams read like a who’s who of the most consistently competitive teams of the last five years. Coincidence? I think not.
- Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Kansas City, Texas, and Cincinnati have been just consistently awful. While they have all had poor pitching during this stretch, their defense has made their pitching look a lot worse. There is hope in Pittsburgh and Baltimore, where younger players have the promise of being better defenders than previous players. Jon Daniels knows what he’s doing in Texas, and when the Rangers are ready to compete, it will be interesting to see if he moves Michael Young off of shortstop. Unless there is a drastic change in Kansas City or Cincinnati, their defensive future looks quite bleak.
- Arizona’s relatively low ranking surprises me. They were 21st in 2008, and only in the top ten once in the last five years. I expect better in the future – especially if Eric Byrnes is healthy, as that would give them arguably the best defensive outfield in baseball.
- Florida was 4th in PADE in 2008. Who knew? They actually jumped to 4th all the way from 29th in 2007. There was quite a defensive renaissance in the state of Florda from 2007 to 2008, as the Rays jumped from 30th to 3rd as well.
- I was shocked to see Oakland in the middle of these rankings, considering that they have a reputation as being an elite defensive squad. In fact, Oakland only ranked in the top 10 of PADE once – and that was 8th in 2005. I wonder if PADE somehow underrates their defense due to their home park – perhaps PADE doesn’t accurately adjust for the spacious amounts of foul territory in the Coliseum. Or, perhaps Billy Beane’s reputation for building elite defensive squads exceeds his actual aptitude for doing so.
- The supposedly-defensively-minded Twins have actually been pretty terrible at defense. Their already-low ranking actually overrates them, as they ranked 4th in 2005, but were in the bottom half in every other year (including ranking 27th in 2008).
- Even though the Red Sox place sixth in this list, they may be even better than this, having finished second and first in PADE over the last two years – even with Manny Ramirez in left field.
- Over the last three years the Cubs have ranked first, third, and fifth in PADE. Who knew?
- Even though they are only in the middle of the pack, the Dodgers ranking is drastically skewed by a first place ranking in 2004. They haven’t been in the top half of PADE since that year. When did they let Paul DePodesta go? Hmm…
- Could Dave Duncan’s success in St Louis have something to do with the fact that the Cardinals ranked in the top 10 in PADE three times in the last five years, and in the top half in every year except 2008?
- Say what you want about J.P. Ricciardi, but he sure knows how to build elite defensive teams. If there’s one team that should spend heavily on a designated hitter, it’s the Blue Jays (and the Rays, come to think of it). Too bad Ricciardi already insulted Adam Dunn’s mama…
Comments
Given that this metric produces results which are completely at odds with every other fielding metric,
I am strongly inclined to distrust it.
And I mean, it’s not just that the A’s have good fielding stats— they LOOK good defensively, too.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 12, 2008 5:28 AM EST
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+15, there is no way the Giants are 1st in defense....and I want to believe that the A's are better than that
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by DyeLongJustice on
Nov 12, 2008 9:37 AM EST
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Feliz, Winn, and Vizquel for the past few years...
Who else? Any clunkers?
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by Sky Kalkman on
Nov 12, 2008 2:31 PM EST
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Plenty...
Bonds… Rich Aurilia… Ryan Klesko… I guess Molina doesn’t count for this, but… Durham… Roberts…
I dunno, Feliz and Vizquel are really good, maybe that outweighs the rest of it.
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 13, 2008 3:12 AM EST
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Good stuff.
Aurilia played first mostly in this period, though, right? And were Klesko and Roberts that bad? Bonds was below average, but not horrible. I certainly agree about Durham. Molina would count a bit, as catching foul pop flies will bring up DefEff.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Nov 13, 2008 3:57 PM EST
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We’re talking about over a five year period though right? Aurilia & Roberts probably haven’t played much more than a full year total & Klesko didn’t even play that much. Also Aurilia & Klesko played mostly at 1B where they were alright. Bonds & Durham obviously played at lot so they’ll have a negative, but they’re presumably outweighed a lot by Vizquel, Feliz & Winn.
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by GiantFan on
Nov 14, 2008 8:53 AM EST
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This isn't a metric...
It is an average ranking of where teams have ranked in the PADE over the last five years.
by Peter Bendix on
Nov 12, 2008 9:56 AM EST
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the LOOK test is great for evaluating defense.
by larry on
Nov 12, 2008 12:09 PM EST
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What do you think the Fan's Scouting Report is?
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by PaulThomas on
Nov 13, 2008 3:13 AM EST
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All the last 5 WS winners are in the top 10
Nice to see…
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by MerryGoByeBye on
Nov 12, 2008 11:02 AM EST
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Peter, I'm not familiar with the PADE methodology.
Can you share the park factors for DefEff? I’m curious if Oakland’s home park makes fielding easy (the extreme foul territory pumping up numbers?)
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by Sky Kalkman on
Nov 12, 2008 2:32 PM EST
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The methodology can be found
Here. It was created by James Click, who now works for the Rays, who just-so-happened to have an excellent defense in 08. Coincidence?
by Peter Bendix on
Nov 12, 2008 3:02 PM EST
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Ok, so it's basically just park adjusting DefEff.
Did you compute your own updated DE park factors?
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by Sky Kalkman on
Nov 12, 2008 3:19 PM EST
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Also, it appears Click/Davenport only used the home team's home/road DE's for the park factors.
They should have used both home and opponent teams for each park. Even just using the opponent DEs would have been better, because there’s more variety and less room for home team bias.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Nov 12, 2008 3:21 PM EST
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All I did
Was use the PADE rankings found on Baseball Prospectus, and averaged them over five years.
by Peter Bendix on
Nov 12, 2008 3:44 PM EST
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Gotcha, thanks.
Didn’t even know they had PADE rankings!
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by Sky Kalkman on
Nov 12, 2008 3:53 PM EST
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For those interested,
the rankings can be found here.
by Peter Bendix on
Nov 12, 2008 3:58 PM EST
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