Valuing the F.A.T. [Fielders and Hitters]
Inspired by the evaluation R.J. has been giving the free agents, I've decided to try my hand at doing so with the F.A.T. this blog has pointed out.
My method started off with grabbing the Batting Wins off Baseball-Reference for 2006-2008 and weighted it 5/4/3, like in the original method. For players who had little to no time at the MLB level for a year I went to the 2006-2008 MLEs [2006 2007 2008] and converted the numbers to wOBA. I then converted wOBA to Wins Above Average. In the place of Batting Wins, I slotted the WAA in. Using the number of number of wins above average, I divided it by the number of plate appearances made. Using this number (which is the number of Wins Above Average Per PA), I extrapolated it out to 650 PA, roughly 150 games.
Reliability is the number of PAs I was using divided by 2100 (700 PA * 3). 700 PA would be the number of PA for 162 games. For example, Chris Snelling has a grand total of 347 workable PAs, therefore his reliability is very low. A reliability score of 1.0 would mean that the player had 2100 PAs in 2006-2008. It's a rather arbitrary number but it'll give you a decent idea of the sample size I was working with.
There are many similarities between this post and the ones which R.J. has been using. The fielding number was grabbed from the CHONE Defensive Projections for 2009, is possible, otherwise I went to 2008, just like the free agent evaluation posts. Only Brian Myrow did not have any defensive data in either of these databases. The positional adjustments were made using Tango's positional adjustments, just like the free agent evaluation posts. WAR has 2.25 wins added on to switch from average to replacement, like their approach. $MM is calculated in the same fashion.
Projected PA is determined in 2004 MARCEL fashion. Half of the 2008 PAs + a tenth of the 2007 PAs + 200 PAs.
Don't put too much weight into my numbers, though. There's not too much going into them -- just throwing together some MLEs to help demonstrate the value of the F.A.T. on the market. It's more to give you a concept of their value rather than to be extremely accurate. Please also keep in mind that platoonability wasn't taken into account when determining the batting score.
| Pos | Player | 650PA | Field | Pos | WAR | $MM | Reliability | Proj. PA |
| CF | Ryan Langerhans | -1.6 | 0.9 | 0.25 | 1.82 | $9.23 | 0.48 | 422 |
| SS | Adam Everett | -3.1 | 1.9 | 0.75 | 1.76 | $8.90 | 0.45 | 299 |
| 1B | Brian Myrow | 0.5 | -1.25 | 1.54 | $7.86 | 0.43 | 450 | |
| LF/RF | Ryan Langerhans | -1.6 | 1.4 | -0.75 | 1.32 | $6.81 | 0.48 | 422 |
| 2B | Ryan Roberts | -1.4 | 0.2 | 0.25 | 1.28 | $6.59 | 0.63 | 504 |
| LF/RF | Jason Perry | -0.3 | 0 | -0.75 | 1.17 | $6.05 | 0.66 | 465 |
| LF/RF | John Rodriguez | -0.3 | -0.1 | -0.75 | 1.15 | $5.96 | 0.34 | 341 |
| 2B | Jayson Nix | -2.2 | 0.7 | 0.25 | 1.01 | $5.30 | 0.59 | 432 |
| 1B | Chris Shelton | -0.2 | 0.1 | -1.25 | 0.95 | $4.97 | 0.67 | 463 |
| LF/RF | Laynce Nix | -0.5 | -0.1 | -0.75 | 0.91 | $4.82 | 0.57 | 450 |
| LF/RF | Victor Diaz | -0.2 | -0.4 | -0.75 | 0.9 | $4.76 | 0.61 | 508 |
| 2B | Ivan Ochoa | -1.9 | 0.2 | 0.25 | 0.78 | $4.18 | 0.53 | 456 |
| CF | Chris Duffy | -2.4 | 0.7 | 0.25 | 0.76 | $4.09 | 0.35 | 288 |
| 2B | Adam Kennedy | -2.3 | 0.6 | 0.25 | 0.76 | $4.07 | 0.56 | 413 |
| LF/RF | Emil Brown | -1.2 | 0.4 | -0.75 | 0.72 | $3.89 | 0.68 | 459 |
| CF | Tike Redman | -1.8 | -0.1 | 0.25 | 0.62 | $3.42 | 0.68 | 511 |
| LF/RF | Chris Snelling | -0.9 | 0 | -0.75 | 0.59 | $3.24 | 0.17 | 280 |
| SS | Cesar Izturis | -3.4 | 0.8 | 0.75 | 0.43 | $2.48 | 0.48 | 461 |
| LF/RF | Tike Redman | -1.8 | 0.7 | -0.75 | 0.42 | $2.45 | 0.68 | 511 |
| LF/RF | Chris Duffy | -2.4 | 1.3 | -0.75 | 0.36 | $2.15 | 0.35 | 288 |
| 1B | Ben Broussard | -0.6 | -0.3 | -1.25 | 0.11 | $0.93 | 0.55 | 439 |
| LF/RF | Kevin Mench | -1.5 | -0.4 | -0.75 | -0.42 | -$1.65 | 0.53 | 396 |
| 1B | Wes Bankston | -1.8 | -0.2 | -1.25 | -0.97 | -$4.32 | 0.58 | 445 |
| LF/RF | Jason Lane | -1.7 | -0.9 | -0.75 | -1.08 | -$4.80 | 0.61 | 476 |
Observations:
- There is some decent value from the F.A.T., especially when you compare it to the Mid-Range Free Agent Hitters.
- Ryan Langerhans especially stands out. His defensive prowess, like most defensive players, is seriously underrated. His defense may be a click below Endy Chavez but he should still be a great bench player -- and argubly a decent starting outfielder.
- Brian Myrow was the only hitter to finish with a positive score for hitting. If he can play average defense, he could potentially be a great pick up. A more cost-effective Kevin Millar?
- Adam Everett deserves a shot. His bat is definitely below replacement level but there is no doubting the runs he saves with the globe. If he can rebound from his struggles in 2008, he'll be a great pick up.
- Snelling has gotten almost no PA between 2006-2008. I didn't know he was that fragile.
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Bumped to front page.
Terrific stuff.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 11, 2008 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the front page!
I didn’t expect such a fast response.
by SanjiWatsuki on Nov 11, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy's offensive number struck me as crazily low.
So I looked up his stats. He was just awful in 300 PAs last year, huh? .219/.282/.290 – that’s a 50 OPS+ for you scoring at home.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Nov 11, 2008 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was honestly surprised, too. I thought Kennedy would be pretty solid.
Those 300 PAs were very killer to his value in my calculations, though.
by SanjiWatsuki on Nov 11, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for reference, if we don't count Kennedy's terrible season that year...
His value jumps to 8.68MM, just a click below Everett.
by SanjiWatsuki on Nov 11, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are SB/CS included?
And am I correct that your WAR and $$ numbers are pro-rated to a full season?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Nov 11, 2008 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good eye with the SB/CS
WAR and $$ are prorated to a 150 games, essentially a full season.
SB/CS weren’t factored in due to a lack of data for MLEs in 2007. I could probably factor in the 2006/2008 numbers, though.
by SanjiWatsuki on Nov 11, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've run similar projections on Langerhans, too
I can’t believe no one has taken a flyer on him fora 4th OF, cause he seems like he might hit well enough to be a league-average starter if his D is good enough (paging the Royals… DMGM, there’s an ex-Braves loose who is actually good for once)
I guess there’s disagreement on how good he’d be in center… CHONE has him at +9, but I’ve also read that he’s more average… anyway, he still hits well enough to be a good 4th OF, for sure.
Then again, Billy Beane hasn’t picked him up, so maybe there’s something else that’s wrong.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 11, 2008 10:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Beane all ready had him though.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 11, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what makes me wonder about him
wouldn’t he be a good candidate to help Beane continually break his own record for “most different outfielders played in one season” for the third year in a row? Maybe Langerhans isn’t as good as we think.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 11, 2008 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible. CHONE may not be on the dot with his glove.
Why Beane passed on him is a good question, though.
by SanjiWatsuki on Nov 12, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beane passed on him for Chris Snelling... who then played six games and missed the next 4 months with a bruised knee
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 12, 2008 5:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So this means that Jason Lane will have to pay a team 4.8M to play?
Sounds like a deal to me!
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by Jack Moore on Nov 11, 2008 10:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Platooning
I’m betting a bunch of these guys (notable one being Emil Brown) are only effective against one side. So, some of these guys might not be as “negative” on the offense side, as long as they’re used correctly, right? But still, a very enlightening post.
And, does anyone know where to find minor league splits (lefty/righty, etc.)?
Langerhans resigned by Nats, FWIW.
This.
by Blicks on Nov 11, 2008 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I saw that note about him re-signing, yet it's not on MLB.com or the Nats website.
I’m hoping it’s untrue, otherwise he’s heading to Triple-A for a while.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 11, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
minorleaguesplits.com
Not a bad answer to this question, huh?
Does anyone know where to find minor league splits?
Some guys might also have been platoon guys in the past, making them look better than they’d actually be against both sides.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Nov 11, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, what an obvious name. Thanks.
Ryan Roberts jumps out at me as an interesting 2B/SS platoon option.
This.
by Blicks on Nov 12, 2008 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Roberts definitely deserves a shot at breaking into a big league roster
He may have the talent.
by SanjiWatsuki on Nov 12, 2008 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want the A's to take a flier on Roberts at 3B/SS.
He’s played a little of both in the minors, if he sucks, just cut him.
He’s a good bet to be an improvement, at least from one side of a platoon, over Bobby Crosby (and/or Jack Hannahan, if Chavez can’t play 3rd upon his return from injury, if he returns). Although Hannahan can play good defense, although he does nothing with the bat. If Roberts and Pennington could share the SS position, it could be a decent improvement over Crosby.
This.
by Blicks on Nov 12, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So begins the Roberts mancrush.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 12, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict many F.A.T. mancrushes throughout this offseason.
F.A.T. players are too easy to be infatuated with. I don’t know what about them, but…
A Rheino, or a Roberts, or a Swindle, so easy.
This.
by Blicks on Nov 12, 2008 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Must... avoid... a Swindle mancrush...
by SanjiWatsuki on Nov 12, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You just can't resist the temptation of F.A.T.
I have a dual mancrush already: Roberts and Swindle. I’ll probably pick up a few more before the offseason is over.
This.
by Blicks on Nov 12, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another F.A.T. Fielder in Corey Patterson...
Take Chris Duffy on that table and subtract another 0.4 from the batting. That’s how good he is.
by SanjiWatsuki on Nov 12, 2008 1:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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