Greg Smith in Colorado is a Recipe for Disaster
You’re the GM of the
So what type of pitcher may be more likely to succeed – or at least not fail miserably – in
Well, according to recent history, we can see three distinct types of pitchers who have had some degree of success while pitching for the
1) Aaron Cook. Namely, a pitcher with a ton of sink on his fastball who pounds the strike zone. Sure, he doesn’t strike out too many hitters, but he keeps the ball on the ground and he’s stingy with free passes.
3) Jeff Francis. Francis doesn’t do anything particularly well, but he survives by doing everything decently well. He strikes out enough, he walks few enough, and he gets more grounders than fly balls. His strength was not having any pronounced weakness, aside perhaps from his velocity. Furthermore, he relied on a changeup as his main secondary pitch, rather than a breaking ball.
As you might imagine, these three pitchers represent three different ways of succeeding in any environment. However, Coors Field is particularly unforgiving to pitchers who get a lot of fly balls or who walk too many (without coupling that with a high K rate as well).
So why on earth would the
Smith’s track record – in both the majors and minors – suggests that he’s particularly ill-suited for working in Coors Field.
First of all, he’s a fly ball pitcher, having gotten over 10% more fly balls than ground balls in 2008. Secondly, he doesn’t get many strikeouts – even in the minors, he only struck out a batter an inning once, in rookie ball. Thirdly, he issues a lot of walks – over 4 per nine innings with the Athletics in 08, and 2.6 per nine in his minor league career. Finally, he doesn’t throw hard – his fastball averaged 87.6 MPH this year – and he threw a breaking ball over 21% of the time.
That sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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It's going to take Dan O'Dowd a year to realize what you just wrote within an hour.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 10, 2008 5:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So true.
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by Russ on Nov 10, 2008 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to actually see studies done grouping visiting pitchers by GB% or K%...
And seeing if/how much those skills lead to added success in Coors. My guess is that K% is the kicker, as batted balls are just really dangerous. Of course, many strikeout pitchers rely on pitch movement, so there’s obviously a relationship.
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by Sky Kalkman on Nov 10, 2008 5:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not so much added success,
More just not-as-much-sucking.
Also, K% would be somewhat misleading if a pitcher relies on a slider/curveball at all, I imagine.
Rockies should get as many high-GB pitchers as possible. GBs can’t become homers and Tulo will gobble them up.
by Peter Bendix on Nov 10, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
based upon this, one would hope the rockies plan to package him in another deal.
of course, that would assume that dan o’dowd realizes this already. which apparently he doesn’t.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But do GB pitchers depend on sink?
Do GB-inducing pitches induce fewer GBs and therefore more LDs and more FB/HR’s in Coors? Just thinking out loud here and playing devils’ advocate.
Greg Smith’s 2007 line in the minors was solid split between AA/AAA (PCL). 3:1 K/BB, just under 1 HR/9
2008 wasn’t great, though, considering fielding and ballpark.
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by Sky Kalkman on Nov 10, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to take Dan O'Dowd a year to realize what you just wrote within an hour.
by larry on Nov 10, 2008 5:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stop following the herd, larry. Think for yourself. Jeez.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Nov 10, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Smith's K:BB makes Edwin Jackson blush.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Nov 10, 2008 5:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
E-Jax loves giving homers to pitchers
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 10, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fat pitchers, while at it.
Not F.A.T. Just FAT.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 10, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A pitcher that would do well in Colorado
Jason Motte
76.2 IP, 126 SO and 29 BB (combined AAA and MLB)
Strikes out a ton, Walks a few, and has no break on his fastball. With a base of deal around Street for Motte
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 10, 2008 6:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
way to go deep.
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by hazel on Nov 11, 2008 7:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith's tRA* last year: 5.55
Of course, with young pitchers you’re banking on improvement anyway.
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by Sky Kalkman on Nov 10, 2008 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lots of those trades lately, it seems
I mean, Micah Owings at GABP? What are GMs smoking lately?
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by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 10, 2008 6:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Obviously they're thinking about Owings' bat.
He’s gonna MASH at GABP.
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by esoteric on Nov 10, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Convert him into an outfielder!!!!!!
This.
by Blicks on Nov 11, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
de la Rosa
Jose has also done well in Colorado. The thin air might be able to tame his curve:
http://jeffsqanda.blogspot.com/2008/10/did-jorge-de-la-rosa-have-too-much.html
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Nov 11, 2008 12:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Smith's command is OK
He has the nickname “Nibbles” because he, well, nibbles a lot.
Maybe in Colorado he serves the ball up over the plate a little more, takes more HR, gives up fewer walks. He’s a smart cookie, I’m sure he knows what he needs to do to maximize his success. He’s basically a blog-less Brian Bannister.
Of course, Bannister sucked this season.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 11, 2008 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
awesome
He’s basically a blog-less Brian Bannister. Of course, Bannister sucked this season.
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by Sky Kalkman on Nov 11, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
somewhere, Joe Posnanski is wiping a tear from his cheek
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by devil_fingers on Nov 11, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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