Best Left Fielders of 2008
Other positions: 1B | 2B | SS | 3B | DH | CF | RF | CA
Like I did last year, I'm going to spend the few two weeks discussing the top ten players at each position based on 2008 performances. This year I'm using Justin's stats, which have all the nice features of the home-brewed stats I calculated last year, but with the added benefit of making Justin do all the work:
- BaseRuns-derived offensive linear weights, with park adjustments.
- League-adjusted replacement-level, since AL pitching is stronger than NL pitching.
- Proper position adjustments using the CA - SS - 2B/3B/CF - LF/RF - 1B - DH spectrum.
- Combined STATS and BIS zone ratings converted to runs to measure fielding.
Players are listed at the position they played the most, but the defensive numbers from all positions are included, and players' contributions to multiple teams are combined. For the top ten players at each position, I've listed their offensive contribution above replacement level and their defensive contribution (position adjustment plus fielding relative to position) compared to average. Position and fielding are broken out in the table at the end. If you add offense plus position, you'll get a number with the same use as VORP, but better.
To help you put the Total Value number in perspective, here are some benchmarks given a full season of playing time:
- League-average is about 20 runs above replacement.
- The cut-off for true All-Stars is in the 40 run range.
- Top 5 MVP candidates are worth at least 70 runs above replacement.
- MVP winners have been in the 90-100 run range the past few years.
Without further ado, here are the top ten left fielders of 2008 (2007 numbers here):
10. Jack Cust (40 off, -11 def, 30 tot) -- You want to know why Billy Beane's reputation as a phenomenal GM is deserved and not just a results of Michael Lewis' extended fluff piece? Look no further than Cust, who was freely available to multiple teams for multiple years. Sure, his batting average still stinks, but all those walks and homers matter, too.
This is as good of a spot as any to mention one of the only flaws in Justin's Total Value system. Position adjustments are calculated by weighting the time spent by each player at each position by the position's value on the defensive spectrum. But the data doesn't provide playing time at DH, meaning players who are considered non-DHs but spent significant time at DH are overrated (no penalty for DH time.) And players listed as DHs might be underrated because they get a full DH penalty plus likely poor fielding ratings. With the data available, there's no good workaround, except manually.
For example, Cust receives only a 3 run penalty for his position when it really should be more like a dozen run penalty. Oh well, we can deal with that. If you kick Cust out of the top ten (which we probably should) he's replaced by Carlos Lee at 26 total runs above replacement. Once again, Lee wasn't even as valuable as Mark Ellis.
9. Pat Burrell (37 off, -7 def, 30 tot) -- Burrell was an early-season MVP candidate, and I could still make a half-hearted argument for him as a top-ten candidate using Win Probability Added. The key in all of this is that somehow he managed to rate as a league-average corner outfielder this year. If only that mattered on the free agent market...
8. Jason Bay (51 off, -33 def, 32 tot) -- No, that defensive rating is not a typo. He was -11 runs with the Pirates and -15 runs with the Red Sox. I'm guessing there are still issues with Fenway (one reason Dewan's +/- is better than the regular BIS zone rating), but given Bay's track record of league-average defense, that Pirates number also seems really low, especially for only four months. Notice that his overall rating is higher than the sum of his offense plus defense -- that's because Justin's stats cap the defensive penalty on the low end at whatever a full-time DH would deserve, for better or worse.
7. David DeJesus (32 off, 0 def, 32 tot) -- I'm surprised to see that DeJesus didn't rate better as a left fielder considering he tended to rate above-average in center field, but maybe the Royals saw this coming. Or maybe not, considering they also thought Joey Gathright was deserving of a full time role.
6. Willie Harris (17 off, 15 def, 32 tot) -- I might be blowing the surprise you'll find at #5 after the jump, but Harris was only a small step behind possible AL MVP Carlos Quentin in total production. Sure, he trailed by 35 runs offensively, but he also led Quentin by 30 runs in the field.
5. Carlos J Quentin (52 off, -15 def, 37 tot) -- Sorry, I've spent too much time writing about this guy this year. He's good, but overrated. Get over it.
4. Johnny Damon (46 off, -4 def, 42 tot) -- He might not be a plus center fielder any more, but that's still his most valuable position to the Yankees. I find it interesting that even thought Damon has excellent speed, his least productive year of the past three came with his highest ground ball rate -- Damon does hit his fair share of home runs and he needs to get the ball to the gap to create more doubles and triples.
3. Ryan J Braun (43 off, 2 def, 45 tot) -- Ryan Braun, defensive asset? It was obvious left field was a better fit for his skills, but who knew he'd be this good? If he could bump his OBP up .050 points by taking a walk now and then, he'd be one of the best ten players in the game.
2. Matt T Holliday (52 off, 2 def, 54 tot) -- Holliday held the number one spot last year and he did pretty well for himself again this year, even though the media seemed to forget about him. Great bat, good glove, and a potential blockbuster trade target next July. If you give the next guy full credit for his defensive shortcomings, Holliday's moves up into a tie.
1. Manny Ramirez (73 off, -19 def, 56 tot) -- Manny rated as -2 runs in left field after joining the Dodgers. Might the story of 2008 be that he's a much more valuable fielder than us statheads have assumed? If he creates seven more wins than replacement with his bat again, nobody's going to care if he fields in a skirt.
Now for the top twenty-five most productive left fielders in 2008:
| Rank | Player | Off | Pos | Field | Total |
| 1 | Manny Ramirez | 73 | -5 | -14 | 56 |
| 2 | Matt T Holliday | 52 | -6 | 8 | 54 |
| 3 | Ryan J Braun | 43 | -7 | 9 | 45 |
| 4 | Johnny Damon | 46 | -3 | -1 | 42 |
| 5 | Carlos J Quentin | 52 | -6 | -9 | 37 |
| 6 | Willie Harris | 17 | -2 | 18 | 32 |
| 7 | David DeJesus | 32 | -2 | 2 | 32 |
| 8 | Jason Bay | 51 | -7 | -26 | 32 |
| 9 | Pat Burrell | 37 | -6 | -1 | 30 |
| 10 | Jack Cust | 40 | -3 | -7 | 30 |
| 11 | Carlos Lee | 40 | -5 | -9 | 26 |
| 12 | Fred D Lewis | 24 | -5 | 5 | 24 |
| 13 | Adam Dunn | 32 | -5 | -3 | 24 |
| 14 | Raul Ibanez | 44 | -7 | -17 | 24 |
| 15 | Alfonso Soriano | 30 | -5 | -3 | 23 |
| 16 | Josh D Willingham | 24 | -5 | 1 | 21 |
| 17 | Luke B Scott | 26 | -4 | -1 | 20 |
| 18 | Chase Headley | 15 | -4 | 8 | 19 |
| 19 | Conor S Jackson | 29 | -8 | -2 | 19 |
| 20 | Chris Dickerson | 14 | -1 | 4 | 17 |
| 21 | Garret Anderson | 20 | -4 | -1 | 16 |
| 22 | Carl Crawford | 13 | -5 | 7 | 16 |
| 23 | Omar Infante | 10 | 0 | 4 | 14 |
| 24 | Matthew Joyce | 16 | -3 | 1 | 13 |
| 25 | Fernando Tatis | 19 | -3 | -3 | 13 |
And the bottom five, including a candidate for the least productive player in all of MLB:
| Player | Off | Pos | Field | Total |
| Wily Mo Pena | -13 | -2 | 2 | -13 |
| Matt Diaz | -6 | -2 | -3 | -10 |
| Esteban German | -1 | -1 | -6 | -7 |
| Nick L Stavinoha | -6 | 0 | 0 | -7 |
| Jacque Jones | -5 | -1 | 0 | -6 |
| Rob Mackowiak | -4 | -1 | -2 | -6 |
| So Taguchi | -3 | -1 | -3 | -6 |
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I still can't believe Willie Harris was that productive...
I saw him play all of 2007 with Atlanta, and while he definitely had some range in the field, he was pretty bad at the plate for the last half of the season. I figured it was a good idea to let him go. Didn’t think he would raise his walk rate, hit for a little more power, and play the field like a maniac. Certainly would have been better for us than Matt Diaz, who makes your worst of the bunch list.
by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 29, 2008 7:32 AM EDT reply actions
On top of that, Matt Diaz ranked #8 in left field last year. Oops.
- - Matt Diaz (26 RAR, 10 FAA, 34 TVAR, .369 wOBA)
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz was always very flukey...
Marginal power, plate discipline that made Alfonso Soriano look like a walk machine, and an absurd BABIP.
Still, he was until this year a rather consistent fluke, if that makes any sense.
by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 29, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i totally agree. To have him ranked in front of guys like lee, soriano, burrell, bay , dunn is crazy to think about. I personally think defense is being way overrated for LF. LF has and always will be an offensive position first and more credence should be given to their offensive stats in this writeup. I love Sky’s work but this is where sabermetrics can get a bad name and sometimes deservedly so……… In the real world where managers fill out a scorecard to win ballgames I doubt if Harris makes the top 20.
could you elaborate one where exactly the numeric analysis misses the boat, though?
do you disagree that Willie is 18 runs better than the average left fielder in the field? if not, assume he was: why is those 18 runs he saves in the field not worth as much as the 18 extra runs that Pat Burrell (for example) produces at the plate?
i don’t disagree that LF mostly sees good-hit, bad-field guys. it’s one of the few positions you can stick bad defensive players and not have them totally exposed. but they are still exposed. and there are still many many balls hit out there that good fielders catch that average and bad fielders don’t. why shouldn’t making those plays be credited to a player? don’t they help their pitchers allow fewer runs and thus the team win more ballgames?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
I don’t see how Willie Harris is that much of a better defender than Matt Holliday, I am positive that Holliday is leaps and bounds a better defender than Ryan Braun. I also wonder how Johnny Damon had negative value defensively too. Raul Ibanez is a criminally underrated hitter too. On the positive side, I like this series.
I really hate to disagree with you
but Ryan Braun was actually quite good in the field this year. Sure, he looked a little awkward, but he has a good arm and his athleticism played well in left. Anyways, the difference in the numbers here is one run, which is almost completely insignificant.
by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 31, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Braun
I didn’t say that he was a bad defender, just not in Holliday’s class. Holliday had a .900 (!!!!) ZR
by Omar Little on Oct 31, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cust
In working on my yet-to-be-posted “Gold Glove DH Post,” I did come up with a way to “ferret out” the real defensive ratings of players with time at DH, but the small sample sizes are a problem.
Is anyone else surprised to see that Burrell only went -8 on defense? I always hear numbers like -34 associated with him… I mean, -8 isn’t good, but it doesn’t imply that he’s better as a DH, either, a la Adam Dunn.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
Burrell's track record doesn't outweigh his 2008 performance for a projection, though.
Sean’s got him at -14 runs in LF going forward.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I know
I was just a bit shocked by Justin getting those numbers (although he does admit there are some surprises: Hanley at +4 or so, and Jeter at only -4 as opposed to the usual). I thought Dewan’s had Burrell at the usual -30/150 this year? More curious at the discrepancy than anything else.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Oct 29, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Cust used to be called a poor man's Adam Dunn
Do we now refer to Dunn as the rich man’s Jack Cust?
"This is Rickey, calling on behalf of Rickey."
by scatterbrian on Oct 29, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Bay
If i’m not mistaken, 51-32 is only 18, So shouldn’t that make him 18th?
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
these stats limit a player's defensive shortcomings at whatever a DH is worth
the reasoning being that no matter how bad of a fielder a guy is, it’s his team’s fault for not DHing him.
i don’t fully agree with that, but i put these lists together before realizing that’s what Justin did.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
shouldn't that still mean he should be lower on the LF list?
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
Bay's fielding + position equals -33
but a DH, over a full season, only receives something like -20 runs for his position. so instead of holding Bay accountable for -33 defensive runs, he’s being held accountable for -20 runs. so 51 offense minus 20 defense yields the 32 total value number listed.
again, i don’t necessarily agree with that, that’s just what Justin’s doing. if you think he deserves the whole -33 defense rating, then go with it. i think i lean towards your point of view, because all that poor fielding actually does hurt a team, although i also think Fenway’s hurting Bay’s fielding rating (and Ellsbury’s and Manny’s)
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
yeah, you could put it that way
he’s giving Bay credit for being an awful fielder (DH-worth) but his teams the credit for being dumb enough to play him in the field.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
to be fair, I am the one putting him on the LF page, not Justin
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Bay's fielding
For what it’s worth, Bay’s fielding projection (courtsey of Rally) isn’t nearly has horrific as this would indicate:
http://home.comcast.net/~briankaat/of2009.htm
I think, in this case, the fielding metrics I’m using this year are probably missing low. Or, somehow, not fully accounting for Fenway.
He was awful before Fenway this year
-11 in Pittsburgh. Watching him play in Fenway, though, you see how he rates so slowly. Manny may have gone in the Monster to pee between pitchers, but Bay could do it without moving from where he starts he plays so close to the wall. he gets to nothing out there because of it.
Wait, Justin's defensive stats do that, or just the overall rankings?
Because if the defensive stats do that, then some stuff I was working on is useles…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Oct 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the individual numbers are unadulterated
the number he lists as Total Value uses a fielding plus position number that is capped. if you don’t want the cap, don’t his his Total Value number and just add up the individual pieces.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
OK
that explains a lot… I thought there was some spreadsheet problem.
Thank goodness Mike Jacobs didn’t go below replacement level, or that proposed trade sure would have looked stupid!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Oct 29, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I really have to question Ibanez's defensive numbers. I think they're waaay off.
He was at least 7,376 runs below average in LF.
J.K.L.
Two people at another baseball message board (that both Sky and I post at at least). .
. . . gave him a Gold Glove this year.
Yup.
They obviously haven't seen the LL sidebar section "Raul Ibanez takes pride in his defense." Here's a taste.

J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 29, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That is hilarious.
I laughed out loud the first three times that was replayed.
by Peter Bendix on Oct 30, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe Dunn sucks so much
i would have thought he’d be in the top ten…but i guess not
'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long
I was goofing with Justin's stuff a few days back
If you take Alex Gordon’s 2007 defensive rating (+4.5) combine it with his 2008 offensive, he’d would have been as valuable as Adam Dunn this year.
Now, I like Alex Gordon, and this perhaps does say something nebulous, I guess, about his possible future. Still, while I think Adam Dunn is a good player, you’d think he’d be more valuable than a slightly-above-average third baseman. Someone’s going to pay way too much money for him this offseason.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Oct 29, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
RE: Manny's defense
I’ve often wondered how Fenway’s left field affects some defensive metrics as they relate to Manny.
"This is Rickey, calling on behalf of Rickey."
Custian defense
I am having a hard time believing Cust is remotely as good defensively as Bay (you say better!) or Quentin or some others up there. Cust is pretty brutal to watch in left.
hey big guy
in case you missed my note, Cust’s defensive adjustment is ignoring his time at DH because of the data limitations. that -7 fielding rating is in less than half a season, meaning he’s more like -15 in the field and -20 runs overall defensively. that’s worse than Quentin, although not as bad as Bay’s rating. again, I think Bay’s getting unfairly penalized for the Green Monster, and i’m just totally confused with his Pirates rating. maybe it’s accurate, but he’s always rated as league-average in left field in prior years.
just wait for Abreu in right field…
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
You know, maybe Bay just had a bad year
or he really, really sucks?
Epstein is a smart guy… but he did just keep sticking and sticking with Julio Lugo… Billy Beane seemed in love with Terence Long… sometimes even the best GMs make bad decisions.
not Dayton Moore, though. The Jacobs deal is GOLD, baby, GOLD.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Oct 30, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions

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