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Best Catchers of 2008

Other positions:  1B | 2B | SS | 3B | DH | LF | CF | RF

Like I did last year, I'm going to spend the few two weeks discussing the top ten players at each position based on 2008 performances.  This year I'm using Justin's stats, which have all the nice features of the home-brewed stats I calculated last year, but with the added benefit of making Justin do all the work:

  • BaseRuns-derived offensive linear weights, with park adjustments.
  • League-adjusted replacement-level, since AL pitching is stronger than NL pitching.
  • Proper position adjustments using the CA - SS - 2B/3B/CF - LF/RF - 1B - DH spectrum.
  • Combined STATS and BIS zone ratings converted to runs to measure fielding.  For catchers, fielding is based on passed ball/wild pitch rates and SB/CS ratios.

Players are listed at the position they played the most, but the defensive numbers from all positions are included, and players' contributions to multiple teams are combined. For the top ten players at each position, I've listed their offensive contribution above replacement level and their defensive contribution (position adjustment plus fielding relative to position) compared to average.  Position and fielding are broken out in the table at the end.  If you add offense plus position, you'll get a number with the same use as VORP, but better.

To help you put the Total Value number in perspective, here are some benchmarks given a full season of playing time:

  • League-average is about 20 runs above replacement.
  • The cut-off for true All-Stars is in the 40 run range.
  • Top 5 MVP candidates are worth at least 70 runs above replacement.
  • MVP winners have been in the 90-100 run range the past few years.

Without further ado, here are the top ten catchers of 2008 (2007 numbers here):

10. Chris R Snyder (13 off, 15 def, 27 tot) -- As is the case with most catchers, Snyder's overall value is held back by partial playing time.  He was a league-average hitter despite a .237 batting average.  And would you believe that he ranked 8th on last year's list?

9. Ryan M Doumit (28 off, 1 def, 28 tot) -- Doumit's story is actually pretty similar to that of teammate Nate McLouth: a Pirate with a breakthrough season driven by an increase in at-bats and batting average, playing an important defensive position but doing it poorly.  Heck, they were even born six months apart.

8. Chris D Iannetta (24 off, 6 def, 30 tot) -- I love guys like this: ex-prospects who take a few more years than expected to finally strut their stuff.  Iannetta showed power, patience, and even took an Utley-like 14 hit-by-pitches in only 400 plate appearances.

7. Dioner F Navarro (15 off, 16 def, 31 tot) -- Here's another late-bloomer, if you can say that about a twenty-four year old.  Navarro's increase in production was due to a drop in strikeouts and an increase in batting average.  If he could cut down on the 16 double-plays that would add another five runs to his offensive value.

6. Kurt K Suzuki (13 off, 19 def, 32 tot) -- Suzuki's the exception among catchers, a guy who compiled almost 600 plate appearances and played over 140 games.  On a game-by-game basis he's barely above average, but staying in the lineup and keeping the backup catcher on the bench is an underrated ability.  His skills actually remind me a bit of Jason Kendall (good OBP, bad SLG, good defense), but without that huge price tag.

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5. Kelly B Shoppach (27 off, 7 def, 33 tot) -- 21 homeruns in 352 at-bats from an Indians' catcher.  The surprise is that it's Shoppach making that claim instead of Victor Martinez.  Having an abundance of All-Star caliber backstops is one of the best "problems" an organization can have.

4. Russell N Martin (30 off, 11 def, 41 tot) -- Evidently Martin has worn out his welcome in the Dodgers' clubhouse.  He also wore out opposing pitchers, taking 90 walks and averaging 4.0 pitches per plate appearance.

3. Geovany Soto (31 off, 12 def, 43 tot) -- And sometimes the much-hyped prospects do come through the first time around.  Soto seems to be a lock for Rookie of the Year honors, which just shows how valuable a 120 OPS+ from a catcher really is.

2. Brian M McCann (42 off, 9 def, 50 tot) -- Here's what I wrote about McCann last year: "Did the Braves trade the wrong young catcher? It’s tough not to love McCann’s 2006 performance, but 2008 will go a long ways towards showing whether it was a fluke or not."  As 2008 is now in the books, I will now boldly claim that Brian McCann is not a fluke.

1. Joe Mauer (44 off, 17 def, 61 tot) -- It's really not fair to Mauer that he keeps being compared with Justin Morneau, so I'll just remind everyone that Morneau's contributions were worth about 27 runs above replacement this year.  (Yes, 61 is still more than 27.)  Not only does Mauer hit like Derek Jeter, he's one of the most valuable defensive assets in the game.  There aren't ten players I'd want on my team more than Joe Mauer.

Here are the twenty-five most productive catchers from 2008:

Rank Player Off Pos Field Total
1 Joe Mauer 44 10 7 61
2 Brian M McCann 42 10 -1 50
3 Geovany Soto 31 10 2 43
4 Russell N Martin 30 11 0 41
5 Kelly B Shoppach 27 8 -1 33
6 Kurt K Suzuki 13 11 8 32
7 Dioner F Navarro 15 9 8 31
8 Chris D Iannetta 24 7 -1 30
9 Ryan M Doumit 28 8 -7 28
10 Chris R Snyder 13 8 7 27
11 Mike A Napoli 26 5 -5 27
12 Jason Kendall 0 12 14 26
13 Bengie Molina 12 10 4 26
14 Ivan Rodriguez 9 8 5 21
15 Yadier B Molina 8 9 2 19
16 Rod Barajas 3 7 6 16
17 John D Baker 13 4 -2 16
18 Jason Varitek -1 9 5 13
19 Brian Schneider 4 8 1 13
20 Gerald Laird 7 7 -1 13
21 A.J. Pierzynski 9 10 -7 12
22 Chris R Coste 5 5 1 11
23 Ramon Hernandez 9 9 -8 11
24 Miguel Olivo 6 4 0 10
25 Victor Martinez 3 3 3 10

I'd like to send a shout out to Mike Napoli who finished 11th on the list both this year and last year.  And to Jason Kendall, who might just have been the most valuable player to hit like a shlub.  Oh, and to Benji Molina, who would make a fine trade target for the Yankees and Red Sox.

And finally, because everyone enjoys a little schadenfreude now and then, the bottom five (with ties):

Player Off Pos Field Total
Guillermo A Quiroz -7 3 -4 -8
Corky Miller -9 1 1 -7
Clint J Sammons -5 1 -2 -7
Josh Bard -7 4 -2 -6
Michael Barrett -4 2 -4 -5
Johnny Estrada -6 1 0 -5
Luke C Carlin -7 2 1 -5
Paul Lo Duca -3 1 -2 -5

 

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Great year from #11, Mike Napoli

I must not have been paying attention, because I didn’t notice his numbers until the playoffs.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that and the fact that the Angels have a misguided love for Jeff Mathis

makes Napoli an underrated catcher in the bigs. Imagine if the Angels let him have more at bats (and didn’t suffer injury bc of it)…

'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long

by DyeLongJustice on Oct 28, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he doesn't play the "right way" like the rest of he Angels

too many walks and home runs, not enough hit and runs and failed suicide squeezes

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2008 6:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so by that metric Jason Giambi is a bad hitter to the Angels?

I see your point, and it could (probably?) is true…but then the Angels are stupid for that. Having Napoli hit like that at catcher is invaluable, and should be taken advantage of while he can still do it.

'That's something we do...thirteen hits and not score'-Terrence Long

by DyeLongJustice on Oct 28, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was mocking the Angels hitting philosophy

Cf. the Twins.

Every time I get worried about Alex Gordon, I just remember Delmon Young and smile.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm guessing they're fine with his walks and HRs

but don’t like his low AVG (which I disagree with) and don’t like his defense (which is really not that good, but doesn’t kill his offensive value).

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 28, 2008 9:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't wait until you get to CFs

is Toriiii even going to make the list?

That’s OK. As long as he doesn’t decline at all, that contract will probably work out.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am surprised that Kendall had the best fielding stat of all the catchers. Very contradictory to what scouts say about him.

by jcmitchell on Oct 28, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

part of his value was due to the scouting report

Teams attempted 91 stolen bases against him (fifth most in the majors) but were caught 36 times (55 successful). That’s worth 9 runs right there. He was basically average on PBs/WPs and errors (+4 runs total). It’s not a perfect method, and probably has some error, but yup, Kendall was pretty good going by what we can measure.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 28, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brewers announcers all year were talking up how Brewers' coaches fixed his footwork

Apparently Kendall was taking a studder step before throwing before. What I don’t get is how nobody caught that before.

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by jhmoore on Nov 4, 2008 10:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow.

I thought John Buck would have been close to the top 25, but he really isn’t. Just for fun, I eliminated all with less than 250 PAs and Buck came in at 33 of 35 (at -0.4)

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Oct 28, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really bad year

he’s no star, but I think his career offense and defense are better than that

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Almost exactly what my list was.

I had Soto and McCann switched and with with Suzuki over Shoppach in pretty much a coin toss.

I also had Pudge 10th, though, so. . .

by philkid3 on Oct 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait

I actually had Navaro 5th, then Suzuki, then Shoppach, so flipped.

Again, though, it was coin-toss close to me.

by philkid3 on Oct 28, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't count anything less than five runs as worth discussing

and anything under ten runs is still inconclusive.

you following a similar approach, philkid? any significant differences in methodology?

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 28, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frankly, not on catchers.

Which is why this is surprising. I look at what I can find defensively (FRAA, Defensive Wins Shares and other such questionable things) with catchers and try and get a guestimate of run value.

by philkid3 on Oct 28, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

Russell Martin is “just another catcher.”

by philkid3 on Oct 28, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, duh.

How about the Rays trade Dioner Navarro and Reid Brignac for Russ Martin and Andre Ethier. I mean, that way the Dodgers get more than just another catcher, grab a shortstop for the next six years, and remove one of their glut of outfielders. Ned Colleti, come to the phone…

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That'd be quite ironic

Considering that one of Colletti’s first moves was dumping Navarro – a guy DePodesta had acquired – the Rays for Toby Hall and Mark Hendrickson.

by Peter Bendix on Oct 28, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You Don't have to be Nasty to Mauer

“Not only does Mauer hit like Derek Jeter, he’s one of the most valuable defensive assets in the game.”

You mean, the way people remember Jeter hitting, or the way he hits now (almost kinda maybe sorta-if-you-ignore-Slugging-Percentage well enough to make you forget what a lousy fielder he is)?

by klhoughton on Oct 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i meant high-OBP, moderate-SLG Jeter

not 2008 Jeter. I’m not that mean ; )

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 28, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright O's!

starter: 23/25 and worst fielder (-8)
backup: dead last

I can’t wait for Wieters…

Curt never met a buttered roll he didn't like.

by CoachOfEarl on Oct 28, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, Tek is 18th.

Not a lot of good catchers out there I guess.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 28, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

catchers are pretty underrated as a whole

it takes a very specific skillset in order to handle the defensive requirements, meaning the offense just isn’t there across the board. people really need to lower their offensive expectations of catchers, which also implies that the catchers who do stick out (Mauer, McCann, Piazza, etc) are REALLY good.

not only is fielding underrated these days, position is underrated.

the other thing about catchers which holds down their total value in a study like this is they don’t rack up the playing time. instead of 650 PAs, you can expect 450 PAs from most guys.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 28, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think fielding is overrated in certain cases

but that is usually by GMs/managers who are making really silly decisions, or who have trouble identifying good fielding in the first place.

Exhibit A: Not only starting Ros Gload, but signing him to a 2 year extension.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 28, 2008 10:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fielding in general or the fielding abilities of certain players?

overall, I think it’s pretty underrated, and so is position.

but i agree that people (GMs, announcers, writers, fans, etc.) seem to misjudge the abilities of tons of players. thinking Gload is a good fielder doesn’t mean fielding is overrated, it just means Gload’s fielding abilities are overrated.

the other way fielding can be overrated is when people call a position (like CA or SS) a “defense-only” position and put up with a no-hit, decent-glove guy. if the fielder is Ozzie (+25 runs), that’s ok. but when the fielder is “only” +10 runs and his bat is replacement level or worse, he’s still a bad player overall (think Tony Pena Jr.) you ALWAYS have to consider the trade-off between offense and defense.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 10:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you ALWAYS have to consider the trade-off between offense and defense.

I fully agree with everything you say, especially that line.

I guess what I’m thinking of (predictably) is a situation like Jose Guillen being signed by the Royals. Well, if they were willing to put up with that kind of shitty defense in RF, why not didn’t they just sign Eric Hinske, who at worst would have been only a bit worse in RF, could resonably be expected to hit almost as well (of course, he hit much better), and would have cost much, much less. Right now they are talking about trading for Mike Jacobs, who needs fielding tips from Billy Butler, when they could sign Branyan or Hinske for not much more money, not give up a prospect, and get better defense at 1B and a better hitter.

I agree with your overall point, and also the smaller one that defense and positiona; not being understood and/or applied properly.

We’ll leave aside the fact that they could have retained Emil Brown for 1/1.5 or something (I wouldn’t have offered him arb or anything, although I’m coming out with a post eventually on just how awesome his 2005 and 2006 seasons were… UZR loves his defense then, combined with his offense, both of those two seasons are better than any Jose Guillen season other th an 2003).

By the way, although I’ve bagged on TPJ more than anyone, his acquisition is arguably not close to Moore’s worst one (unless Cordier becomes a good pitcher in the majors, which is not impossible). I was one who pointed out TPJ’s career offensive year in 2007 as likely a fluke, but his defense was rated anywhere from +18 to +25 runs, so he was actually pretty close to being a league average player. That deal was nowhere near as crippling or ridiculous as the Guillen signing or the Gload trade and resigning.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 29, 2008 11:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One more thing

the “always consider everything” is why I got so excited about the Teahen-for-Guterriez rumor. Gutierrez is like a OF version of Mark Ellis, or Endy Chavez with a bit of offensiev potential.

If it happens, I’ll have to keep telling myself when the Royals go .230/.290/.330 against RHP next year.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 29, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gutierrez's defense is incredible

But I don’t think the Indians will deal him for Teahen.

Or rather, I hope they don’t.

by Peter Bendix on Oct 29, 2008 11:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

game: teams that could use Gutierrez as a CF

Royals
Yankees maybe
continue…

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Continued:

Padres
White Sox

Maybe the Cubs (Edmonds is old, although he was surprisingly-not-bad in 2008), the Rangers (Hamilton should probably play a corner), perhaps the Mariners.

by Peter Bendix on Oct 29, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While Gutierrez wouldn't be a bad fit. . .

. . . I don’t think we need him at all.

Marlon Byrd was a top 10 centerfielder by this system and is signed through next year. Brandon Boggs was an awesome fielder in his time played this year and could probably play a mean center field. David Murphy was good in the corner defensively and a solid player overall.

You’re right, Hamilton would be better served in right, but it’s not like we don’t have anyone, now or in the future, to play center. And it would be good to have those positions available for the development of Julio Borbon and Engel Beltre (and maybe Chris Davis), and further development of Murphy and Boggs.

I’ll bet Gutierrez would make the Rangers a little better now, but is it enough to be worth the resources given up?

by philkid3 on Oct 29, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nelson Cruz has some nice defensive ratings

I would guess he or Byrd should be the guy in center, no?

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indians (move Grady to left, then only have one OF hole to fill with a Choo-BenFran platoon)
Yankees maybe (better off signing Furcal and putting Jeter in the OF, perhaps?)
Twins (Gomez’s crappy bat + great defense in left still at least 2 wins better than D-Young)
White Sox for sure (although I want the Royals to get “Gootz,” then turn DDJ into Swisher)
Mariners (Ichiro’s running the team, so he’ll never move back, wait what about Adam J —, oh, sorry)

I guess if I keep re-arranging teams’ OFs, I could go on and on

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 29, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think the Indians would, either

I respect Shapiro enough that when I heard the rumor, it made me feel a lot better about Teahen…

No, by Dayton moore categorically denied it. He’s too busy working on giving up a good pitching prospect for Mike Jacobs and dealing Billy Butler for pennies on the dollar.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 29, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(insert "former Brave" joke here

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 29, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more seriously, though

Aviles only got called up after 2 1/2 months of TPJ…

I’d comment on DMGM giving former Braves farmhands a chance while waiting as long as possible before even giving a Baird guy a shot, but that would be unfair, apparently.

Thankfully TPJ didn’t manage to OPS over .600, otherwise Aviles probably wouldn’t have come up until September.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 29, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Three Padres in the Bottom “Five.”

by Richard Wade on Oct 28, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On a game-by-game basis he’s barely above average, but staying in the lineup and keeping the backup catcher on the bench is an underrated ability. His skills actually remind me a bit of Jason Kendall (good OBP, bad SLG, good defense), but without that huge price tag.

You know the definition of “irony” in the dictionary? Just get rid of it, and put this paragraph with a “This.” right after it.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2008 12:46 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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