Beyond the Box Score: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:



Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Steve McNair Found Shot to Death


spread the word

MLB Needs Robots to Call Strikes/Balls

Location_php_medium

via brooksbaseball.net

That's Kazmir's normalized strike zone plot for the game. Here's his last at-bat against Pat Burrell:

Umprape_medium

Pitches 6 and 4 were either fouls or swinging strikes with pitch 1 being a favorable called strike. Where did pitches 5 and 9 miss? Well, I don't know, actually. Even the Fox Track thing, which I don't entirely trust, had them within the strike zone. Essentially Kazmir struck Burrell out, twice. Instead Burrell walked, Kazmir was lifted, and Grant Balfour had to work his way out of a jam.

I'm not going to say that if we had robot strike callers last night the outcome would've been different. For one, knowing MLB, the robots would've short circuited in the rain, and two, using results based analysis we know the game is tied. However I question the judgment of anyone who places tradition or anything else over getting calls like these right in every game, and especially in the biggest games.


It hasn't changed the outcome of the series, but when the gold standard of umpires are getting this many calls wrong, it might time to implement instant replay and robots.

0 recs | Comment 13 comments | Share on Facebook Digg!

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

the only problem I could see with robot umps is properly setting the high/low boundaries of the strike zone

are we sure they’re accurate?

but other than that, i’m all for it. you simply have the home plate ump hold some sort of receiver that tells him whether each pitch is a strike or a ball and he relays that information to the pitcher/fans in whatever human-like why he sees fit. (I’m assuming pitch f/x calculates in under a second — am i right?)

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Oct 28, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From Brooks Baseball too
Think someone’s getting squeezed?
Strikezone maps plot all of the calls made by the home plate umpire for the entire game:
Normalized Strikezone Maps For This Game (LHH, RHH, and Combined)

Basically he wasn’t calling high or low strikes, but called some occasional wide strikes. I think umpires as a whole have a tendency to do that, but last night was pretty extreme. A lot of those calls were just awful.

by VictorW on Oct 28, 2008 10:39 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No need for Robots

There’s no need for robots…we just need to find better human umpires…a lot of these umps have been in the game for years and are too stubborn and have too much control over the game. The ball and strike calls in this series have been some of the worst I’ve ever seen…there is absolutely no reason to ever call a strike on a pitch that is off the plate. The borderline low and high strikes don’t bother me as much because at least they are over the plate and more hittable than a pitch off the plate.

Kazmir threw a breaking pitch on the right hand side of the plate last night that Navarro caught just off the plate but there is no way he could have caught it where he did unless it crossed home plate while it was breaking…but the ump called it a ball…Kazmir seems to be getting squeezed the most of any pitcher in this series.

by antone on Oct 28, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Union makes that an impossibility

The way to get the union is to agree is to require them to be less competent and hire more of them. So have another ump to make sure the robot is working properly.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Oct 29, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Kellogg Burrell's Brother-in-law?

Burrell’s first at-bat was worse. Kazmir threw two beautiful strikes after 2-1 and both were called balls, thus facilitating the Phillies’ two runs when Victorino singled afterward.

I wrote an article some years ago calling for the laser strike zone. Here is a link:

http://www.spectator.org/archives/2005/08/24/zoning-variance

by Jay D. Homnick on Oct 28, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You try calling balls and strikes when you can't see

Just sayin’. Look at the games where the weather wasn’t more of a factor than the fielding and hitting.

(Iirc, for instance, Saturday’s game featured a HP umpire who consistently gave calls to batters on the black, but balanced that some by calling high-ish strikes. But he was consistent for all pitchers, just as a robot sh/would be..)

by klhoughton on Oct 28, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The argument that the umps do a better job than another person. . .

. . . and the argument that they do a better job than a robot are totally different.

by philkid3 on Oct 28, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either robots or accountability

because those calls were terrible.

If I’m the MLB, I’m firing all those umps, and as the Rays, I’m firing Joe Maddon, but that’s a different story.

by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 31, 2008 7:28 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

We use numbers and stuff.
Community Guidelines
Start posting on Beyond the Box Score »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

P1_iannetta_small
Matt Herges: The reason we look at peripherals
Small
SLG and Speed
Small
Interleague Attendance Nonsense
Limes_125_small
A Note About Becoming a BtB Author: Contributing to the Community Helps
Small
Is Adrian Beltre underrated...?
Limes_125_small
How Do You Like the New Daily Link Roundup Posts?
Stlouiscardinals_small
Depth Charts Help
Zorilla_small
How Do You Measure a Pitching Coach?
Limes_125_small
Looking For SQL & Tech Geek Help For Collaborative Projects
Small
When do MLBers get paid...?

Post_icon New FanPost All FanPosts Carrot-mini

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

There's your human element.  Why, when the technology is readily available, are humans still calling balls and strikes?
Fire Jim Leyland: Fu-Te Ni Follow Up; Concern Over Big Three?
Rany Gets Banned By the Royals
Contract Retrospective: Vernon Wells' 7-year, $126 Million Contract
The Rockets are innovative
Flip Flop Fly Ball
Yanks Considered Trading Rivera For Wells In '95: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com
Bullpen Usuage Charts for Last 5 days
MiLB Game of the Week
Drive Mechanics Looks at Chris Perez's Mechanics and Pitch F/X numbers

Post_icon New FanShot All FanShots Carrot-mini

Most Commented

Subscribe to BtB via Email

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner

BtB Goes Social

BtB on Facebook

BtB_Sky on Twitter


Managers

Mos-def-the-ecstatic_small R.J. Anderson

Limes_125_small Sky Kalkman

Editors

Rawlings_baseball_bigger_small Dan Turkenkopf

Face_small Harry Pavlidis

770insig_small Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal)

Rickstache_small erik

Authors

Jinaz-reds-avatar_small JinAZ

Hms_surprise_small Graham

Wisc19cropped2_small jhmoore

Raysring1_small Tommy Rancel

E52205a2_small tbsmkdn

Official Partner of Yahoo! Sports