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Assessing the 2009 Tampa Bay Rays Bullpen

The Rays had an excellent bullpen in 2008. Their 3.55 bullpen ERA was fifth in baseball (even though Jason Hammel pitched 78 innings in a mop-up role and posted a 4.60 ERA, thereby raising the bullpen’s overall ERA). They had six pitchers in the top 72 in WXRL: JP Howell (6th), Grant Balfour (14th), Dan Wheeler (42nd), Troy Percival (64th), Chad Bradford (72nd) and Trever Miller (72nd). These six relievers combined to pitch 322 of the team’s 484 relief innings.

And every member of their strong bullpen is under contract for 2009 as well. This would seem to suggest that the Rays are likely to have a very strong bullpen once again in 2009.

However, if we look more closely at the numbers, we can see that some of the success of their relief pitchers is likely to be unsustainable.

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The Rays had a fantastic defense in 2008, posting a DER of .710. Therefore, we would expect an individual pitcher on their staff to have a BABIP of approximately .290 (yes, there has been work done to suggest that some pitchers may have a small degree of control over their balls in play, but nonetheless we’d still expect most pitchers’ BABIPs to match their team’s DER).

With that in mind, let’s look at the Rays relievers’ BABIP, home runs per fly ball (HR/FB), and left-on-base percentage (LOB%).

BABIP

HR/FB

LOB%

Balfour

.217

5.7%

87.9%

Wheeler

.190

11.4%

78.8%

Howell

.245

10.2%

78.7%

Bradford

.275

10.0%

~75%

Miller

.316

4.3%

69.8%

Percival

.168

11.8%

69.8%

Notice the absurdly low BABIPs for Balfour, Wheeler, Howell, and Percival. Each of these pitchers is likely to see his BABIP rise next season. Whil  Miller’s BABIP was rather high, his HR/FB was very low (average HR/FB is approximately 11%), and he is unlikely to maintain this low rate going forward.

Balfour too has a low HR/FB, and an extremely high LOB%. Some of Balfour’s high LOB% can be attributed to the fact that he was so dominant this year – whenever a batter reached base against him, Balfour was very likely to retire subsequent hitters and strand the runner. That being said, an 87.9% LOB% is absurdly high and unlikely to be maintained.

These numbers are reflected well in xFIP – a stat that corrects for random variation in BABIP, HR/FB, and LOB%. Let’s take a look at what these relievers’ xFIP was in 2008:

ERA

xFIP

Balfour

1.54

3.04

Wheeler

3.12

4.53

Howell

2.22

3.63

Bradford

2.12

4.11

Miller

4.15

4.04

Percival

4.53

5.97

This confirms our suspicions: while some of these guys are very good pitchers, nearly all outperformed their xFIP – by a lot. Even if xFIP is underrating these guys for some reason (which, while possible, is not particularly likely), it’s unlikely that xFIP is underrating them by that much. In other words, it’s quite likely that these pitchers will see their ERAs rise in 2009.

The Rays have some quality pitchers in their bullpen – particularly Balfour and Howell. However, nearly all of their relievers benefitted from random fluctuation in 2008, leading to a bullpen that performed much better as a unit than we would expect. Look for the Rays bullpen to regress, perhaps significantly, in 2009.

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No matter how good the defense is, it seems hard to believe that pitchers could maintain a sub-.250 BABIP. Plus, homer-rates have nothing to do with defense, and strand-rates have little to do with it.

by Peter Bendix on Oct 27, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point.

I was going to bring up regression by a guy like Miller, but then I considered his role and figured he’s not going to see enough innings to matter too much.

by R.J. Anderson on Oct 27, 2008 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are the numbers guys...

So I have a question regarding numbers. DOn’t you think some players stuff/location/movement is good enough that batters will put balls in play, but not sharply. I know when I pitched, my goal was for batters to mishit the ball, not so much miss the ball.
I look at a guy like Howell that has tremendous movement and location on his fastball, and it would seem logical to me that grounders and popups being put in play arent as well hit as the balls being put in play off a guy like Trevor Miller.
I think(and I could be totally wrong) one of the flaws in this data, is that it discounts the velocity the ball has off the bat. Are these batters hitting rockets, or are they mishitting the ball?
The numbers you guys use have an important part in the future of this game, but sometimes we must be cautious not overemphasize those numbers.

by td32 on Oct 27, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here's a quick excercise you can do to prove to yourself that there's not much of a BABIP skill

1. Name some pitchers from recent history that were really good and had really good stuff. Suggestions: Maddux, Clemens, Pedro, Randy, etc.

2. Go look up their career BABIPs. Most are no lower than .290. Some are even ABOVE .300.

Having good “stuff” is definitely helpful to pitching, but it mostly shows itself in getting strikeouts and not allowing homeruns (while HR/FB certainly should be regressed, it’s not 100% — my wild ass guess is 70% given a full season of a league-average number of flyballs.)

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by Sky Kalkman on Oct 27, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I looked up Maddux and when he was at his best, in his prime, his BABIP was not only below .290, it was way below .290.

Starting in 92, his first really dominant year and ending in 02’, his last really dominant year. You started seeing the decline in 98.:

1992- .258
1993- .277
1994- .258
1995- .249
1996- .285
1997- .288
1998- .269
1999- .333
2000- .279
2001- .295
2002- .289

So it appeared, when Greg Maddux was in his prime, he was able to control his BABIP, when his velocity started to slip, he became less effective and got hit harder.

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by Tyler on Oct 27, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info...

Howell’s fastball reminds me of Maddux’s a bit, although probably 2mph slower as I’ve seen Howell reach 90 this year. The way he can make it back up over the inside corner on righties is unreal. You dont see many lefties with the ability to do that.

Something I’ve never seen anyone bring up, and I would be interested in your take, Tyler. I have never seen a curveball like Howell’s before. Let’s say he sits 87-88 this year. His curveball has been consistently 81-84. I have never seen a true curveball that close in velocity. Maybe a slider that is 5-7 slower, but not a curveball that drops off the table like Howell’s does. It is fascinating, and I’m curious if there has ever been a guy that throws that much of a downer so close to his fastball velocity-wise.

by td32 on Oct 27, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've never seen anything like it. When he was drafted, that pitch was called a slider.

But watching highlights of his first ML start, it broke more laterally and got less depth than it does not, it appears to me at least. The only person I could even think of was Randy Johnson and I know he throws a slider, but it had absurd amounts of movement and still got very good depth, despite throwing it at almost 90. However, even he had more than 3-5mph separation. His was more like 5-7mph hour of separation if I remember correctly. Just guessing, but I assume his average fastball velocity was 94-95 with his slider touching 90.

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by Tyler on Oct 27, 2008 5:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly...

I’ve seen some power sliders 5-7mph away from the fastball velo….but never a curveball like Howell’s. I think that is the equalizer pitch he has. Heavy break, and it looks just like his fastball. Mix that with a fb with plus plus movement, and a solid change, and you have a very good reliever.

by td32 on Oct 27, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but you can't really do it like that, because it's circular reasoning

low BABIP (cause as of yet undecided) —> low ERA —> “dominant year” —> can control BABIP with great stuff

over Maddux’s career, his BABIP is .289

take Pedro:
Season Team BABIP FIP
1992 Dodgers 0.292 1.15
1993 Dodgers 0.28 3.07
1994 Expos 0.281 3.31
1995 Expos 0.268 3.9
1996 Expos 0.304 3.27
1997 Expos 0.274 2.39
1998 Red Sox 0.284 3.4
1999 Red Sox 0.344 1.39
2000 Red Sox 0.253 2.16
2001 Red Sox 0.322 1.6
2002 Red Sox 0.288 2.24
2003 Red Sox 0.304 2.21
2004 Red Sox 0.303 3.58
2005 Mets 0.257 2.95
2006 Mets 0.273 4.05
2007 Mets 0.413 1.92
2008 Mets 0.329 5.18

He had many dominant years, but only a couple with a BABIP significantly below .290. And look at 1999 and 2001, two of many seasons he was awesome: his BABIPs were .344 and .322. Pedro’s career BABIP is .291.

How about Roger Clemens? Career BABIP of .294.

How about Randy Johnson? Career BABIP of .302.

Sure, these guys pitched long enough that they’re skills trailed off at the ends of their careers, but it’s not that big of a deal. They had better BABIPs than average — but nobody’s claiming there NO BABIP skill, it’s just not that wide.

Here’s another thing you can do — use K/BB and K/9 as a proxy for “stuff” and see if there’s a correlation between either of those metrics and BABIP. One might expect better “stuff” to cause a lower BABIP. And that’s true with Maddux — his BABIPs correlate at -.37 and -.42 with those two metrics specifically. But for Pedro and Roger, the correlations are all basically zero, and actually slightly positive. To really draw conclusions, you’d need a much larger sample size, though.

Here’s one last thing, again with only three data points. The correlation between K/BB and HR/9 for each of the three pitchers are -.2, -.4 and -.5, showing that “stuff” correlates well with preventing homeruns.

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by Sky Kalkman on Oct 27, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BABIP skill

I like that in Pedro’s best year (by skill, and for the sake of argument I will assume that FIP is perfect for this) he had the highest BABIP. I think that pitchers have some degree over BABIP control, but still anything much lower than say .280 (and that’s for an extreme GB pitcher with a good defense) is pretty damn lucky.

by Omar Little on Oct 27, 2008 11:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maddux actually has a good reason for having a low BABIP

There’s effectively an extra fielder out there when he’s pitching, compared to most pitchers. Someone (was it this site?) figured him at 5-10 runs above average as a fielder every season.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2008 10:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a phenomenal point, thanks.

900 PAs, 200 Ks, 50 BBs/HRs leaves, say 650 BIP. if Maddux made ten plays more a year, that’s a change of 10/650 = .015 points of BABIP, dropping his expected BABIP down from .300 to .285.

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by Sky Kalkman on Oct 29, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was also a starter...

Throwing about 5mph slower, and having to go through the lineup more then once

by td32 on Oct 27, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, good point about starting vs. relieving. but the BABIP change is HUGE (.391 down to .259!)

some info: Howell’s K/9 and BB/9 really didn’t change much from last year to this year (both went up a small amount). His HR/9 crashed down to earth this year, thanks to his HR/FB dropping from 15% to 9%. But his FB-rate didn’t change — a few liners did turn into groundballs, though. His 2007 xFIP was 4.25 and his 2008 xFIP was 3.63.

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by Sky Kalkman on Oct 27, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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