LVP Least Valuable Player
by dasox313 on Oct 18, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
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PrintThis year a lot of players under performed. Who do you think is the LVP Least Valueable Player this Year. This year many players under performed. I thought Aaron Rowand was a LVP but, he led the Giants in Home Runs. Also things to consider when voting.... Team Overall, Injury, lineup protection, playing time
Andruw Jones- 16.5 Million for 3 homers, 14 rbis, and .189 average
Richie Sexson- Under Permorming
Erik Bedard- 220 K's last year
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Erik Bedard was really good when he wasn't hurt.
When you’re talking value over the course of a season, it’s not fair to hold injuries against a player.
J.K.L.
Erik Bedard hurt himself in his very first start.
He was pitching injured all year, making the stats fairly impressive given the circumstances.
As a braves fan...
I’ve got to go with Jeff Francoeur.
Somehow, .239/.294/.359 coupled with no steals to once caught gets 155 games and 650 appearances at the dish.
What’s even more shocking is that he got intentionally walked five times!
by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 18, 2008 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
"What’s even more shocking is that he got intentionally walked five times!"
probably because he was batting 8th. still…a little surprising.
Eh, his wOBA+ was 89.
Below average, but not atrociously bad.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 20, 2008 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he was also a corner outfielder with bad range
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
i take back the bad range.
but yes, his offense was really poor, especially considering it was in the NL with a decrepit OBP and over 650 plate appearances.
Justin’s stats have him at -8 runs offensively, 0 for fielding, and -8 for position
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Yes but not even in the conversation for least valuable.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 20, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i disagree, if "LVP" is defined at "least productive"
I’m going by Justin’s stats which use linear weights, a position adjustment, and fielding (no throwing arm, which would help Francoeur by, say, five runs). Are you defining LVP differently or disagree on methodology? Here’s everyone at least 10 runs below replacement:
Corey Patterson (-14 off, 4 def, 10 tot) -
Matt Diaz (-6 off, 4 def, -10 tot) -
Felipe Lopez (-7 off, 3 def, -10 tot) -
Juan Castro (-9 off, 2 def, -11 tot) -
Andruw Jones (-14 off, 3 def, 11 tot) -
Jose Vidro (-4 off, 7 def, -11 tot) -
Ross Gload (0 off, 15 def, -12 tot) -
Mike Lamb (-6 off, 7 def, -13 tot) -
Wily Mo Pena (-13 off, 0 def, 13 tot) -
Jeff B Francoeur (-8 off, 7 def, -14 tot) -
Tony F Pena (-22 off, 5 def, 17 tot) -
Wladimir R Balentien (-9 off, -8 def, -17 tot) —
Francoeur’s OBP was .294 and his SLG was .359. In the NL. Over 650 PAs. That’s pretty bad.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
I now realize I underestimate just how atrociously bad he was this year.
199th out of 204 in wOBA in a corner outfield spot. Yikes. Now, if we’re including cost as a factor he doesn’t look nearly as bad.
But yeah, he’s way worse than I originally thought.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 20, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Zito?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
relative to money spent
yes, then again, Carl Pavano and Mike Hampton was still around
by RollingWave on Oct 20, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by igotnothing on Oct 22, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go with Tony Pena Jr. or Wladimir Balentien
With dishonorable mentions to Jeff Franoeur, Wily Mo Pena, Mike Lamb, Ross Gload, Jose Vidro, and Andruw Jones
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
jose guillen
particularly if $ value is involved. Almost as bad as Gload and TPJ at 3/36
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Oct 20, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
with money, sure
but he at least had a decent OPS (.738) — it was his awful fielding that drove him below replacement level.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
which is why he's suck a sleeper for this prestigious award!
He’s racking them up this year, in addition to this possibility, he’s already won:
1) Most overrated by RBI (tied with Ryan Howard)
2) Most out-of-position player (tied with Pat Burrell)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Oct 20, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert Pujols
For reasons including, but not limited to the following: He had fewer homers and ribbies than Howard, he failed to pitch at all, let alone string together a ridiculous amount of complete games/shut-outs, he didn’t play for the New York Mets, he failed to have any true break-out months or other short time stints (especially in September), he failed to single-handedly carry his team the play-offs.
Oh, you mean for real?
Francoeur/Jones are a pretty bad tandem. Tony Pena Jr. might do it for me though. I admit I’m kind of biased because I recently discovered Posnanski’s very nice website… Also, I kinda like the Mariners and want to say Vidro, but since he’s a DH he can only suck for 1/2 of the game.
joke, dude
this line is dedicated to '09
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 31, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
there's no dispute
Andruw was simply the worst he could possibly be. Did anyone actually watch him hit?? My girlfriend even asked me one time watching him play “is there something wrong with that guy”?? He missed the ball by feet, not inches when he swung. The big question is what is his projected line next year???
He's "valuable" because he sticks up for teammates.
Wait, he came in throwing punches AFTER Coco was already on the ground.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
LVPs
the Reds middle defense: Paul Bako at catcher, Jeff Keppinger at shortstop, and Corey Patterson in centerfield. no other team boasted such an unholy trifecta.
say hi to your mother for me
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 7, 2008 11:33 AM EST reply actions
Tek, Lugo, and Coco/Ells.
There was a point when none of them were hitting. And all of them have a few issues defensively.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
Okay, objectively now?
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
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