Best Center Fielders of 2008
Other positions: 1B | 2B | SS | 3B | DH | LF | RF | CA
Like I did last year, I'm going to spend the few two weeks discussing the top ten players at each position based on 2008 performances. This year I'm using Justin's stats, which have all the nice features of the home-brewed stats I calculated last year, but with the added benefit of making Justin do all the work:
- BaseRuns-derived offensive linear weights, with park adjustments.
- League-adjusted replacement-level, since AL pitching is stronger than NL pitching.
- Proper position adjustments using the CA - SS - 2B/3B/CF - LF/RF - 1B - DH spectrum.
- Combined STATS and BIS zone ratings converted to runs to measure fielding.
Players are listed at the position they played the most, but the defensive numbers from all positions are included, and players' contributions to multiple teams are combined. For the top ten players at each position, I've listed their offensive contribution above replacement level and their defensive contribution (position adjustment plus fielding relative to position) compared to average. Position and fielding are broken out in the table at the end. If you add offense plus position, you'll get a number with the same use as VORP, but better.
To help you put the Total Value number in perspective, here are some benchmarks given a full season of playing time:
- League-average is about 20 runs above replacement.
- The cut-off for true All-Stars in the 40 run range.
- Top 5 MVP candidates are worth at least 70 runs above replacement.
- MVP winners have been in the 90-100 run range the past few years.
Let's get rolling with the top ten center fielders of 2008 (2007 numbers here):
10. Marlon Byrd (27 off, 4 def, 31 tot) -- Not to ruin the surprise, but Byrd is the first of two Rangers' center fielders to make the list, an impressive feat in only 462 plate appearances. He spent significant time in all three outfield spots with about half his innings in center.
9. Nate McLouth (45 off, -14 def, 32 tot) -- I have a hard time calling McLouth a center fielder, and a quick peek at his fielding ratings shows why: he's really a corner outfielder playing out of position. But an .853 OPS is valuable anywhere on the diamond and he nearly broke the 700 PA barrier.
8. Cody Ross (23 off, 9 def, 32 tot) -- I've written about Ross before, and he's a great candidate for the title of "best player not on anyone's radar". It takes a lot for me to be impressed with a guy who posted an OBP below league-average.
7. Torii Hunter (33 off, 3 def, 36 tot) -- For everyone out there who loves consistency, Hunter's your guy, at least on offense. As is to be expected, his range in center continued to drop in 2008, but he's still average out there.
6. B.J. Upton (36 off, 1 def, 37 tot) -- Upton ranked ninth in last year's center field top ten list and I'd be surprised if he didn't crack the top five next year. His natural grace has led many ignorant observers to believe he's lazy in the field, but learning to take better routes is really all that stands between him and being a significantly above-average defender. And a healthy shoulder is all that stands between him and a return to 25+ homeruns.

5. Shane Victorino (30 off, 10 def, 40 tot) -- Victorino was a stud in right field last year and had the same defensive value in center this year. Nice job, Phillies. A .020 point improvement in SLG and a drop in league-wide offense explains Victorino's ten run jump in value in 2008.
4. Josh H Hamilton (51 off, 0 def, 51 tot) -- Surprisingly, we're not hearing about a Home Run Derby jinx for Hamilton, even though he followed up 95 RBIs pre-break with 35 RBIs post-break. No need to worry, though, as his OBP actually improved in the second half and his SLG only dropped .050 points. While the Rangers could certainly use Edinson Volquez's arm right now, Hamilton was the more valuable player this year and should remain so in the future.
3. Curtis Granderson (47 off, 5 def, 51 tot) -- While ARod ran away with last year's AL MVP, Granderson was actually within ten runs of total value, thanks to his disgusting range in center. For whatever reason (some Tigers fan claim it's because of prehis increased size) the zone ratings didn't see that range this year. He's still a tty good baseball player.
2. Carlos Beltran (53 off, 13 def, 66 tot) -- No matter what the Manhattan-based publications tell you, Beltran is one of the ten best position players in the world. He gets on base, hits for power, steals bases without being thrown out, plays center field, and runs down everything out there. Given what Manny and Tex are going to sign for this year (and what Andruw Jones signed for last year), his $18MM yearly salary is a steal.
1. Grady Sizemore (64 off, 11 def, 76 tot) -- I probably shouldn't give away my pick for MVP in the very first article of the series, but this isn't the first time I've blown the surprise. Sizemore is very similar to Beltran in almost all phases of the game, and his ten run advantage in 2008 comes mostly from putting up his offensive numbers against tougher pitching and coming to bat 40 additional times.
Here's the breakdown of the top twenty-five center fielders in 2008. Any difference of less than five runs is meaningless, and I like to see a ten run difference before making any bold claims about who was better:
| Rank | Player | Off | Pos | Field | Total |
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| 1 | Grady Sizemore | 64 | 2 | 9 | 76 |
| 2 | Carlos Beltran | 53 | 2 | 11 | 66 |
| 3 | Curtis Granderson | 47 | 2 | 3 | 51 |
| 4 | Josh H Hamilton | 51 | 0 | 0 | 51 |
| 5 | Shane Victorino | 30 | 2 | 8 | 40 |
| 6 | B.J. Upton | 36 | 2 | -2 | 37 |
| 7 | Torii Hunter | 33 | 2 | 1 | 36 |
| 8 | Cody Ross | 23 | 1 | 9 | 32 |
| 9 | Nate McLouth | 45 | 2 | -16 | 32 |
| 10 | Marlon Byrd | 27 | -2 | 6 | 31 |
| 11 | Jody Gerut | 27 | 1 | 3 | 31 |
| 12 | Mike Cameron | 23 | 2 | 1 | 26 |
| 13 | Matt R Kemp | 32 | -1 | -7 | 24 |
| 14 | Chris B Young | 14 | 2 | 6 | 22 |
| 15 | Carlos A Gomez | 5 | 2 | 14 | 21 |
| 16 | Skip M Schumaker | 20 | -2 | 2 | 20 |
| 17 | Rick Ankiel | 25 | 1 | -7 | 19 |
| 18 | Jacoby Ellsbury | 21 | -2 | -1 | 18 |
| 19 | Adam L Jones | 9 | 2 | 6 | 17 |
| 20 | Scott A Hairston | 18 | -1 | 0 | 17 |
| 21 | Gabe Kapler | 13 | -1 | 3 | 16 |
| 22 | Reed Johnson | 12 | 0 | 2 | 14 |
| 23 | Jim Edmonds | 16 | 2 | -6 | 14 |
| 24 | Vernon Wells | 23 | 2 | -12 | 13 |
| 25 | William Venable | 4 | 0 | 8 | 12 |
And finally, because it's amusing for everyone who doesn't root for a team with one of these players, here's the bottom five in 2008 production:
| Player | Off | Pos | Field | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Andruw Jones | -14 | 1 | 2 | -11 |
| Corey Patterson | -14 | 1 | 3 | -10 |
| Michael R Bourn | -7 | 2 | 1 | -5 |
| Dexter D Fowler | -3 | 0 | -1 | -4 |
| Joey R Gathright | -2 | 1 | -3 | -4 |
Comments
Wow!
The numbers thought that Grady’s defense was vastly overrated in 2007, but he apparently lived up to the hype in 2008. He really does deserve that MVP award. Dammit, Pedroia.
by Peter Bendix on
Oct 15, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
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i hear Grady's arm is a weakness, right?
oufield arm, double-play turning, and non-SB baserunning are the three main things missing from Justin’s stats. the first might be possible to include once John Walsh runs his 2008 outfield arm ratings at THT.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
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Yes, Grady's arm isn't great.
But if he catches so many balls, that hardly matters :)
by Peter Bendix on
Oct 15, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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well, your Indians need to find some pitchers who don't allow so many baserunners in the first place
think the Indians might pick up Sizemore’s $8.5MM 2012 option? ; )
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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there's a non-prize prize for the first person who posts sharing who the hell William Venable is
BtB authors not eligible.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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son of Max Venable, sometime Padre outfielder.
by oldjacket on
Oct 15, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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your non-prize prize is a hearty recommendation of your comment
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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Too easy for any Giants fan..
Remembering the days of Max Venable.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on
Oct 15, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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I know that Gathright got more starts in CF than DeJesus
but I’d be interested to see where David would have ranked.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on
Oct 15, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
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DeJesus would be tied with Ross and McLouth at 8th on the CF list
32 RAR
-2 pos
2 field
32 total
I’m surprised he was only a +2 fielder given all the time in left field. Wasn’t he always a plus fielder in center?
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
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Good instincts, but a little slow for a CF.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on
Oct 15, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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Where did Aaron Rowand show up on this?
by oldjacket on
Oct 15, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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uh, 40th, sandwiched between Coco Crisp and Willy Taveras
11 RAR
2 pos
-11 field (surprisingly low)
2 total
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
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yuck
His range seemed alright out there, but his arm is disastrously inaccurate.
The worst part is that he wasn’t even the biggest waste of money on the team.
by oldjacket on
Oct 15, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
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WHEEEE!
Four more years!
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by marcello on
Oct 16, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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Cameron (12), Kapler (21)
Picking up Cam’s 10M option and resigning Gabe Kapler seem like even more obvious moves for the Brewers after seeing this.
by bretsky07 on
Oct 15, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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Cameron's a no-brainer, I think
I’m not sold on Kapler, though. Yes, nice season, but it’s the first decent one in a long time and he unsurprisingly missed significant time to injuries. $2MM? Sure. $5MM? No.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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Asterisk
Dexter Fowler. He played in only 13 games! :-P
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by Russ on
Oct 15, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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must have been a pretty bad 13 games!
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
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Yes, well, um. . . .
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by Russ on
Oct 15, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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Hey, Sky.
I think we had a discussion like this at B-F once, but do you think these would be better if they used, instead, plus/minus for the defensive portion?
Or not?
The problem ,of course, is that plus minus is not in terms of runs, but I’m sure something could be done about that (and Dewan wrote in an article I read a form of estimating the runs a player’s +/- performance is worth).
I have a Bill James Online subscription mostly to see up to date +/-.
by philkid3 on
Oct 15, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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P.S.
I do a very rough analysis for my MVP ballot at the end of the season where I use a +/- run estimate and add that to VORP. Certainly less accurate than this, but I’m not doing it for a well regarded blog or anything. I’d like to say I’m surprised by how incredibly close that comes out to this.
by philkid3 on
Oct 15, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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i'd be curious to see which players are the most off between systems
i’m guessing DHs and catchers, followed by high-walk hitters. and then anyone that STATS ZR most disagrees from BIS zone rating, naturally.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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It would take me about five minutes to do the addition, so I could make that list.
Compare the top 25 from both.
by philkid3 on
Oct 15, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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if you go to Justin's stats, you can just copy and paste everyone into Excel
he uses THT id’s, so it might be a bit tricky lining up with BPro — although maybe Dewan uses the same id…
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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interesting question
Dewan’s system is better than regular RZR+OOZ available at THT because it’s based on the same BIS play by play data, but uses the mini-zones and accounts for things like handedness. But I like that Justin’s stats combine BIS and STATS zone ratings because they use different grid systems and it’s good to have two “eyes” recording the same information to mesh out any weird stuff. Overall I’d say Justin’s combined ZR’s are on par with Dewan, but I’m not really sure.
To convert from play to runs, just multiply by .8 and you’ll be close enough. .8 is the linear weights difference between an out and a single. ish.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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.8?
Interesting. Do you have some source material I could read on the reason by that handy by any chance?
by philkid3 on
Oct 15, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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quick explanation
the average outcome of a plate appearance is +/- 0 runs, by definition – it’s AVERAGE. an out is .3 runs for the batting team. a single is +.5 runs for the hitting team. again, on average - different situations value those outcomes differently. so, if a fielder turns a single into an out, that’s a change of .8 runs for the made play.
google “chris dial zone rating” for a good article on BBTF from many years ago. he was the pioneer of this method and shows slightly more accurate numbers than .8 — and they vary by position.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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i hate the auto-strike-through feature
an out is negative .3 runs. a single is positive .5 runs.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 15, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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do you have any way
of figuring out how Rick Ankiel would have ranked through July 26 (when he herniated himself trying to catch a game-tying home run?) He had a .890 OPS before the injury, and .594 after, and was reduced to pinch hitting because he couldn’t run…
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by SleepyCA on
Oct 18, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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Way to Go, Dusty!
Anyone else not surprised at Corey Patterson’s position?
Anyone at BtB want to come to his senses about this piece yet? The 1972-76 teams at least had a great defensive middle-of-the-diamond.
by klhoughton on
Oct 18, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
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Where did everyone rank on a rate basis?
by Omar Little on
Oct 19, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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click through to Justin's stats, copy to Excel, divide TotalVal by PAs, sort descending, filter out low-PA players, copy back to this thread
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 21, 2008 11:09 PM EDT
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Granderson
It’s good to see Granderson come in at #3. The +/- system would have killed his fielding component. I’m curious to see how he does on PMR.
by LPanas on
Oct 22, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Lee, what's your assessment of Granderson's current skillset in center?
If you had to guess, how many runs did he saved the Tigers in 2008? What do you expect his rating to be in 2009? Was he really as good as the numbers said last year?
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 22, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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Sky, Granderson really was that good last and really did fall off a lot this year. I don’t know what the problem was this year but he is a skilled outfielder and, by all accounts, has a tremendous work ethic. I expect his 2009 range to be closer to his 07 than 08.
Lee
by LPanas on
Oct 22, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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thanks, Lee, and glad to have you hanging around these parts.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Oct 23, 2008 2:41 PM EDT
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mclouth
i dont understand how he can be so bad defensively while only having 1 error in 152 games that doesnt seem right
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by kstanz41 on
Oct 30, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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Why these numbers are BS
Coco Crisp Fielding: -12.6.
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by 0157H7 on
Nov 1, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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