Beyond the Box Score: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Cal RB Jahvid Best Seriously Injured, Carted Off Field

Positional Forecasts: Second Base

This is the third part of a multi-piece series on positional forecasts. If you missed the first two, they can be found here and here.

I am going to try to pick interesting cases: players who were injured, or had (seemingly) fluke productive or unproductive seasons. For outside forecasting, I'm including PECOTA, Marcels, ZiPS, Bill James, and CHONE forecasting systems, as well as a quick and dirty method of my own to attempt to project 2007 performance. Anyone reading this who has read me before would probably guess that my method uses batted-ball data, and you would be correct.

With an assist from Eric Simon of Mets Geek and Amazin' Avenue, I've got myself a nifty spreadsheet that corrects players' batting lines for the difference between their Batting Average on Balls in Play and their expected Batting Average on Balls in Play. The need for a spreadsheet comes in with the adjustment made to this; when you add in the difference to the batting lines, every extra or missing hit is counted as a single. Eric tweaked it so that the extra SLG points are distributed according to their hit-type rates, meaning a few extra points for extra-base hits. For many players there will not be any difference, but it will help to correct slugging percentage for a few players on either end of the extremes.

Dan Uggla - Florida Marlins
Projection AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA .269 .328 .445
Marcel .284 .345 .476
ZiPS .268 .332 .438
Bill James .285 .347 .490
CHONE .256 .318 .422
BTBS .259 .314 .451

Dan Uggla hit .282/.339/.480 in 2006, coming out of nowhere to enter a bid for the Jackie Robinson Award after replacing Pokey Reese in spring training. Uggla had hit .297/.378/.502 in Double-A Tennessee in 2005, which looks impressive until you realize he was 25 years old already. His age 26 season went fairly well at the major league level, and his better months were spread throughout the season a bit.

Uggla was fairly lucky though, as you can see from the BTBS line in the table. He was .027 over his expected BABIP, given his line drive percentage; sadly, we don't have his minor league batted-ball data at the moment, so it's tough to gauge whether or not his 16.8% line drive rate is normal or low for him (generally, around 20% is average). Marcel and James are fairly optimistic about Uggla repeating his 2006 season, while the rest of the forecasts--and the BTBS correction for 2006--are a bit more pessimistic. I feel comfortable with the lower ones, although Uggla has shocked us once already.

Josh Barfield - Cleveland Indians
Projection AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA .267 .317 .423
Marcel .285 .333 .439
ZiPS .271 .326 .397
Bill James .289 .335 .425
CHONE .286 .342 .441
BTBS .281 .320 .424

Josh Barfield hit .280/.313/.423 in his rookie season in San Diego before being dealt to the Cleveland Indians in a deal centered around Kevin Kouzmanoff. I'm somewhat surprised at the pessimistic forecasts thrown out by most of these systems, since Barfield's major league equivalent line from 2006 was .290/.329/.442, and he wasn't incredibly lucky or anything. Considering his power isn't that high yet, he should try adding some plate patience to his repertoire.

One question surrounding Barfield is his defense: some systems (like FRAA) are big fans, while David Pinto's Probabilistic Model of Range thinks he's fairly average. The Indians should hope that FRAA has the correct assessment here, because if Barfield's bat does stay at the level these forecasting systems indicate then they may not be pleased with his production. I'm of the mind that he'll beat these projections, and I know a few people who really like him that I trust. His upper level PECOTA percentiles are much more optimistic than his weighted mean.

Marcus Giles - San Diego Padres
Projection AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA .264 .342 .408
Marcel .283 .357 .430
ZiPS .276 .356 .406
Bill James .281 .361 .436
CHONE .262 .342 .400
BTBS .284 .366 .415
If I'm going to take the time to analyze Josh Barfield, I should make room for Marcus Giles as well. Giles hit only .262/.341/.387 for the Braves in 2006, making him expendable in their eyes; as an arbitration eligible player who would pull in a few million extra thanks to big seasons in the past, the cost conscious Braves cut him loose. The Padres picked him up on the cheap, and hope he can at the least replicate his 2004-2005 seasons, where he hit .311/.378/.443 and .291/.365/.461. The slugging percentages might be a bit optimistic, considering his sub-.400 rate from last year, but the OBP is the real key to the Padres offensive attack. They play in a park that dooms power hitters, so they need guys who get on base to keep their offense moving. With the brothers Giles (and their OBPs) hitting in front of Adrian Gonzalez and Mike Cameron, the Pads should be able to achieve that goal.

PMR likes Giles about as much as Barfield, so there's probably no real difference between them defensively, at least according to this system. Giles used to be more of a plus fielder, but his range has decreased with age. Before the 2006 season, Kevin Goldstein wrote in Baseball America Prospect Handbook 2006 that Barfield had "made strides defensively and is no longer expected to have to move to left field," which should explain his defensive abilities somewhat. In the long run the Indians will like having Barfield more than the Padres like having Giles around (if they are to re-sign him anyways), but they are two teams in different places. The Indians are reloading with kids to match up with the players on the roster hitting their peak, while the Padres are the team with one of the worst minor league systems around; they're playing to win now with a somewhat older core of players in a winnable division.

0 recs  |  Comment 0 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

We use numbers and stuff.
Community Guidelines
Why be a member?
Start posting on Beyond the Box Score »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
PZR-based Win Values 2001-2006

Recent FanPosts

Small
The "30 parks on a budget" challenge
Sunflower_small
World Series Simulation, Game #6
Small
JT20 Dynasty League
E52205a2_small
New Look
Sth70021_small
Exploring Hit f/x, Albeit Badly
Redcap_small
Ricky Nolasco: 4 WAR or 1 WAR?
Redcap_small
Apparently I can't do park adjustments
Small
Which tells us more: The last 7 at bats or 7 at bats against this pitcher?
Sleepy_jeff_small
How Efficient and Effective Were the Rockies in 2009?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

The Mistake Lottery
On the Field, the Yankees Are The Team of the Decade. Off It? The Red Sox.
Tigers' all-time WAR leaders
Primer on Runs Created
How to improve basketball
LB Keith Bulluck uses a sabermetric analogy to explain the Titans' quarterback situation.
Alcides Escobar "abandoned his daughter before she was born"
UZR, Scouting, and the Fans
Not-So-Lousy Lineup Optimizer, Playoff Edition: New York Yankees

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

BtB on Twitter

Main Feed: @BtBScore

Tommy B: @tommy_bennett
Sky: @BtB_Sky
Dan: @dturkenk
Harry: @harrypav
Jinaz: @jinazreds
Jack: @jh_moore
Erik: @Erik_Manning
Tommy R: @trancel
Justin: @justinbopp

Subscribe to BtB via Email

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner

Most Commented

Limes_125_small
Time To Move On
Nando_small
A Complete and Lenghty List of Baseball-Related Things Miguel Olivo is Good At
Aviles_small
Minnesota: Fielding TargetView Before & After JJ Hardy
770insig_small
Negative Team WAR - 2009 Edition
E52205a2_small
New Look

Managers

Nando_small R.J. Anderson

Limes_125_small Sky Kalkman

E52205a2_small Tommy Bennett

Editors

Face_small Harry Pavlidis

Rawlings_baseball_bigger_small Dan Turkenkopf

770insig_small Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal)

Aviles_small Justin Bopp

Authors

Banny_small erik

Raysring1_small Tommy Rancel

Jinaz-reds-avatar_small JinAZ

Jmlogo_small Jack Moore

1753738656_110919ebe9_o_small vivaelpujols

1_small Graham

Baseball_small Mike Rogers

Redcap_small SFiercex4

Small Patrick Clark

Walter_album_small Walter Fulbright