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Which Players Had The best RBI-to-GIDP Ratios?

The idea behind this that I recall reading online some place (where, I don't know), is that if a batter has alot of RBIs, it's partly because he has lots of opportunities. Of course, he then has more chances to ground into double plays (the GIPDs). So if he has a high RBI-to-GIDP ratio, it means he is able to drive in alot of runs while not hurting his teams with double plays. It is kind of like a cost-benefit ratio. If you drive in runs you are providing your team with benefits. But if you hit into double plays, your team incurs a cost. By bringing both stats together, I partly offset the opportunity issue in judging the meaning of these two stats. It certainly is not a complete picture of hitting, since getting on base is not well incorporated (and you can drive in runs in non-GIDP situations). But the rankings turned up some interesting surprises, so it was fun to work on.

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I did a cursory Google search and I couldn't find where I saw this idea. So I dove in and called up all the hitters with 5,000 or more plate appearances (PAs) since 1946. They had to be divided into three groups: lefties, righties and switch hitters. I used the Lee Sinins Complete Baseball Encyclopedia.  The table below shows the best and worst 25 RBI/GDP ratios for righties (I will just use GDP from now on).

The leaders may not be too big of a surprise. They are power hitters, who get some RBIs with no one base since they hit alot of HRs (but that is still a benefit to the team, regardless of when the runs come). I did try the RBI minus HRs-to-GDP ratio, but the correlation between that and the first measure was about .95. The rankings changed a little, but not a huge amount. There were some good hitters in the bottom 25 and they were not all slow. But those guys tended to not have much power. One player of note, probably the one that was being discussed where I saw this idea, is Jim Rice. He ranked 203rd out of 274 righties. His RBI/GDP was 4.6 and the average was about 5.6.

The correlation between strikeouts per PA and RBI/GDP was about .57. That is not a big surprise since if a hitter strikes out, he can't ground into a DP. But those hitters are often power hitters. The correlation between HR/PA and RBI/GDP was about .69. Again, no surprise (those correlations were similar for lefties and switch hitters).

I also wondered if players who got intentionally walked often could be hurt here since the IBBs might tend to happen when runners are in scoring position. Then they would lose some opportunities to drive in runs. But the correlation between IBBs/PA and RBI/GDP was about .2 for righties and close to that for the other groups. That implies that guys with more IBBs do better in the RBI/GDP. But again, there is a problem. The big HR hitters get the most IBBs and the HR hitters already have a good RBI/GDP. To try to get around this I ran a regression with RBI/GDP as the dependent variable and HRs/PA and IBBs/PA as the independent variables (for righties). That analysis showed a negative relationship between IBBs/PA and the RBI/GDP. It was also statistically significant. I don't want to make too much of this since HRs/PA and IBBs/PA have a correlation of .49, so there could be collinearity.

Now the best and worst 25 lefties.

Things are similar in the case for the righties, except the lefties do much better. The big lead that Strawberry has over Bonds is interesting. He is more than one standard deviation ahead of him. Strawberry must have been tough to double up. The average GDP/PA ratio for lefties was .017. For Strawberry, it was just about .01. His SO/PA was .214 while the average was .119. His IBB/PA rate (.021) was higher than average (.012). But his high HR/PA (.053 vs. the average of .028) combined with his low GDP rate (partly as a result of his SO/PA) are probably what helped him do so well( in the (RBI - HR)/GDP his lead over 2nd place is just about .6).

Some of the top 25 lefties were not big power hitters but they tended to be fast. The bottom 25 again had some good hitters, including three Hall-of-Famers, Gwynn, Boggs and Carew. They are all similar types of hitters-high average and just some power (although Boggs walked more). The worst 25 lefties generally lacked power and tended to be slow.

Now the switch hitters.

The leader, Mantle, is not a big surprise. But I was surprised that the average for the switch hitters, 5.74, was not much above the average for the righties (5.6). The average for lefties was 7.05. Someone considered a great clutch hitter, Eddie Murray, was 26th among switch hitters.

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"Someone considered a great clutch hitter, Eddie Murray, was 26th among switch hitters."

I think that it is incorrect to assume that RBI/GIDP can determine who is and who is not a clutch hitter. Simply because a man is on first with 0 or 1 out, and you GIDP does not mean that you are not delivering in the clutch. This does not take into account runners in scoring position.

With that said, I enjoyed the article and I was surprised to see Bill James' GIDP king Craig Biggio at only 23rd among right handed batters.

Keep up the good work!

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by Kman on Sep 1, 2006 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Thanks for reading this and I'm glad you liked it.

I think your mostly right about clutch hitting. There is not a perfect correlation between RBI/GDP and clutch hitting, but there is some.

The correlation between RBI/GDP and average with runners in scoring position (RISP) is -.09 (a negative .09). But for slugging percentage it is about .4. With runners on base (ROB), the correlation with average is -.13 (a negative .13). With slugging it is .515.

I also posted an article called How Many Games Do Clutch Hitters Really Win?. There I found each hitter's number of wins added based on how each of their plate appearances changed their team's probability of winning. Then I regressed that against their OBP and SLG and got a predicted number of wins added. The more they exceeded their predicted win total, the more clutch they were (supposedly). The correlation for righties between RBI/GDP and by how many extra wins they added was .21. So some correlation, but not alot.

As for runners in scoring position, if you do come through in those times, you get more RBIs and it does raise your RBI/GDP ratio

by Cyril Morong on Sep 1, 2006 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good work
Cy,

Good stuff as always.

Just a thought: double plays tend to come with a man on first whereas RBI are more likely when a man is in at least scoring position (this is obviously a generalisation!) ... this could also affect the results. In other words for a group of hitters with a give RBI opportunity, will their GIDP opportunity by the same (ie, # men on 1st)?

John

by John Beamer on Sep 2, 2006 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Glad you liked it. You're right. I was trying hint at this when I wrote "(and you can drive in runs in non-GIDP situations)." So I agree, its not perfect. I should look into what the correlatin is across hitters between something like frequency of potential GDP situations and number of runners in scoring position per PA.

by Cyril Morong on Sep 2, 2006 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Double Plays
It took me some time, but I put together a set of data to correlate how many runners in scoring position a player got per PA with how many GDP opportunities he got per PA. The correlation was .74.

I also ran a regression in which a player's RBI/GDP was the dependent variable. The independent variables were hits and extra bases per PA, a speed variable, which way a guy batted and the number of runners in scoring position per PA divided by GDP opportunities per PA (call that last one RISP/GDP). I also had one regression that added in strikeouts per PA. But that variable was highly correlated with extra bases per PA. More details below, but to make a long story short, the coefficient on RISP/GDP was 1.45 (and not statistically significant). Now the difference between the highest RISP/GDP and the lowest was .382. Multiplying that times 1.45 gets .55. So if two guys were identical in all ways, the most their difference in RISP/GDP could make is .55 in RBI/GDP. That does not seem real big given the ratios I found. That is, some difference in RBI opportunities (which is not the same as GDP opps) is not likely to make a big difference.

For speed, I used a variable called the triple to double ratio (I will explain if anyone askes). I took into acccount if a guy batted R, L or S. I looked at the top 30 guys in PAs from 1996-2005 (but used their entire career data from CNNSI). The adjustd r-squared was a little over .5.

by Cyril Morong on Sep 4, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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