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Transaction Roundup: A Couple Post-Deadline Deals

The last few days have brought with them a couple of thoroughly exciting deals.  The Mets acquired Shawn Green.  The D'Backs acquired financial flexibility.  The Phillies acquired Jamie Moyer and Jose Hernandez.  The Mariners acquired some guys named Andrew.

Looking first at the Shawn Green and his ugly contract for future LOOGY, Evan Maclane, I'd just like to say that as a Padre fan I'm starting to really not like Josh Byrnes.  Carlos Quentin is already better than Shawn Green, so the D'Backs end up losing nothing while clearing some salary and getting a potentially useful pitching prospect.  If you're a D'Back fan, you have to like this deal.

From the Mets side of things, you have a team taking on salary to add a guy with a .342 wOBA in a hitter's park.  He'll be replacing a guy in Endy Chavez who has put up a nearly identical .339 wOBA hitting in freakin' Shea.  On the fielding side of things, Endy's .952 ZR makes Green's otherwise respectable .840 look pathetic.  Also, Endy's batted ball data doesn't suggest a collapse, but it would seem the Mets expect one.   Otherwise, why bring in a guy who isn't hitting or fielding as well as the guy they already have?

It strikes me as odd to make a deal where you have to count on the guy you're trading for to improve and the guy you already have to regress for it to make any sense.  And what little sense it would make in such an event is lost when you look at the money.

Looking to the Phillies, they've managed to acquire Jamie Moyer and Jose Hernandez for a couple live arms in the case of the former and basically nothing in the case of the latter.  The Jamie Moyer acquisition is a solid one as Gillick gave up very little and has found a more than adequate replacement for Cory Lidle.  Picking up Jose Hernandez means very little as he's just not very good.

From the Seattle side, they acquired a couple of nameless low minors live arms and gave Moyer a chance to go to the playoffs.  That was nice of them.

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Endy Chavez
You're kidding, right?  You actually expect Chavez to keep hitting at this pace?  His career OPS+ before this season was 69.

The biggest mistake I see in sabermetrics these days is everyone overvaluing the current year.

by studes on Aug 23, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I don't have much faith in Chavez's bat, but he does seem to be hitting well this year. I wouldn't expect it next season of course, and Green is under contract then as well. He's much better defensively though, but that could be a strength off the bench for the Mets now.
"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on Aug 23, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
If you say, I don't know... take his production this year and do something like add 220 plate appearances of his projected performance... you still get a wOBA of around .333 which is still better than Green has been once you adjust for the move from Chase to Shea.

by Richard Wade on Aug 23, 2006 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavez...
Chavez is overtaxed as a regular but could be a valuable bench component for the Mets in the playoffs. To me, that was why the Green deal made sense. Chavez has some value as a pinch runner/defensive replacement type in a short series, because he is a fantastic defensive outfielder and because he can run. But seriously, I'll trust the 1400 PAs from before the year more than the 200 during...

by Dan Scotto on Aug 23, 2006 11:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From Keith Law
If Cliff Floyd can't return to play in the playoffs -- and it's possible he'll only be able to hit but not to field -- Green represents a marginal upgrade over Ricky Ledee or Endy Chavez.

Law bases this off of the loss of batspeed that Green has seen, as well as his awful range in and poor arm in the outfield.

"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on Aug 24, 2006 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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