Beyond the Box Score: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Spencer Hall's Sports Meme Power Rankings

The Ray Lankford Wing of the Hall of Fame

The Ray Lankford Wing of the Hall of Fame is a place for the "no real shot at the Hall of Fame, but a great career nonetheless" players, like Lankford. This was inspired by Lankford's entry in the Baseball Prospectus 2005 book, and many individuals and books helped make this project of mine come to a close:

  • Andrew Jalbert, a buddy of mine for helping me get this off the ground
  • Rob Neyer's assortment of books
  • Bill James Historical Abstract
  • Total Baseball 2003 Edition
  • Clay Davenport, for fixing my biggest problem with the pitchers.
  • Minor League Ball users mrmetaa, count sutton, dcarrano, calig23, jfp, supernOva, ckash, dodgerdh and Brickhaus aka Dan McAvoy
  • Baseball-Reference, which helped keep down my confusion in regards to marginal Hall of Famers who would be better served in mine.
  • All the readers who sent in their comments and suggestions for players.

I used the JAWS system developed by Jay Jaffe to determine worthiness for the RLWHF, and then used standard deviations to determine proper averages to induct future candidates with.

The stats that I used are Wins Above Replacement Level, Peak WARP, JAffe WARP Score (JAWS) and a few others depending on whether or not they were positional players or pitchers. WARP is defined as thus:

Wins Above Replacement Player, level 1. The number of wins this player contributed, above what a replacement level hitter, fielder, and pitcher would have done, with adjustments only for within the season.

I used the third version of WARP, which is WARP3. This version is adjusted for difficulty and for playing time, so it levels the playing field for different eras. Peak WARP is the seven best seasons of WARP3 added together to form a player's peak. This is then added to their career WARP3 score and divided by two, which gives us their JAWS score. JAWS gives us a good combination of peak and career value in one happy, shiny number. To look deeper, which is what we always need to do, we use a few other statistics as well. BRAA is Batting Runs Above Average. This is the number of runs above average a batter contributed; pretty self explanatory once the name is given. BRAR is Batting Runs Above Replacement. BRAA helps give you an idea of how strong a player's peak was, while BRAR sides more with the overall career. FRAA is fielding Runs Above Average, which is the same idea as BRAA.

Pitchers, rather than BRAA and BRAR, have PRAR (Pitching Runs Above Replacement) and PRAA (Pitching Runs Above Average). These work exactly the same as BRAA and BRAR as far as functionality goes, except it is on a run value above average for pitching. These are all Baseball Prospectus statistics, and I have decided to use these after Jay Jaffe did the same for his Hall of Fame article series at BP.

To finish things off, I've included part of the copy of the e-mail I sent out on the internal mailing list for SB Nation upon completion of the RLWHF:

The new JAWS system I was using took the players seven best seasons overall rather than their 5 best in a row like the previous one had done. This made the gap between good and not as good much larger. Players like Bobby Grich gained extra credit on their JAWS score, while players like Todd Zeile were hurt by it, considering they had a hard enough time cobbling together 5 decent seasons in a row for a peak. That is the point of the new JAWS system though, because it cuts down on players who appear to be Hall worthy. The problem with this is that I had bottom feeders who were much worse than the new averages created by the new system, and I was going to keep out players who had more talent and better numbers than those who were already within the Wing (sound familiar?). To avoid this problem, I tried thinking of a few ways to edit the averages in order to make them easier to meet while at the same time canceling out the effects on the averages themselves by the new system, or at the least, make them less severe. I decided on using Standard Deviations to do this. I took the averages, took the SD of that, and every player who was 1.00 SD or more above the average was placed into a "special class" and then removed from the averages in order to lower them. This helped greatly, because players like Bert Blyleven, Bobby Grich, Alan Trammell and others who deserve to be in Cooperstown skewed the averages a great deal, and would no longer do so. I then recalculated the averages, and any player who was now - 1.00 or more (or less you could say, stupid negative numbers) standard deviations under the new, less strict average was removed from the Lankford Wing. This brought the averages back up somewhat, but not to the same level as before, and it eliminated the very borderline players that I originally inducted when I didn't know any better. So instead of 270+ players, the Hall now has 246, with about 15 new relievers, the same number of catchers, and less players at every other position. The statistics are all updated for every player and they are organized via table by position.

And with that, here are the 246 members of the Ray Lankford Wing of the Hall of Fame, updated every time there is a new inductee:

Star-divide

Catchers

First Base

Second Base

Third Base

Shortstop

Left Field

Center Field

Right Field

Designated Hitter

Starting Pitcher

Relief Pitcher

0 recs  |  Comment 13 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Sutter and others
Sutter is not even in the top 35 or 40?

What kind of JAWS numbers do actual Hall-of-Famers have?

Would you say there is a minimum JAWS to be in the Hall?

Just more evidence Blyleven belongs in the Hall.

Too bad about Mattingly. Without back problems, he probably would have lasted long enough to put up some big milestone to make it in.

How does Jaffe's quality of competition variable work?

by Cyril Morong on Jan 16, 2006 4:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re:
Sutter was taken out of the RLWHF when he was put into Cooperstown, but he would be the 9th best reliever overall. Ugh.

This is a general statement, and it varies by position, but a Hall of Famer is usually around 80-85 JAWS for the average, although a great deal of the VC guys are well, well below that. As far as a minimum goes, I personally do not want to admit anyone who will bring down the average at a position unless they have an excellent reason. For instance, Albert Belle's career was cut short by his hip problems, and he is borderline, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. Outside of that, I feel they must reach the average and be able to strengthen the quality of players in the Hall.

Yeah, Blyleven's Standard Deviation from the rest of the RLWHF starters was something insane like 5.2...he'll get into Cooperstown eventually.

Mattingly, Clark and Keith Hernandez all have Hall of Fame cases, although Mattingly has the back injury excuse to lean on.

Do you mean how does Jaffe balance out difficulty and era? WARP3 is adjusted for difficulty and has a baseline to adjust for all-time, so Jaffe did not have to do any extra work in that sense. If I'm answering the wrong question, let me know.

"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on Jan 16, 2006 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cy
If you notice, a good chunk of the players you mentioned in your article the other day are listed here. Dahlen, Trammell, Blyleven, etc. Basically everyone over 81-82 has a case for the most part, unless it is SS or CF, where the JAWS score is much higher due to the strength already in Cooperstown.
"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on Jan 16, 2006 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sutter
Sorry. I should have read more carefully to see about Sutter. Guess I have not gotten used to him getting in yet.

Yes, some of the guys you have here were in my article last week. It seems like if so many different kinds of analysis put guys like Dahlen and Grich up there, they should go in.

I was asking about the baseline to adjust for all-time. How does that work?

by Cyril Morong on Jan 16, 2006 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Send me an e-mail
And I'll find the baseline information that I know and send it to you. I have to run out for now.
"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on Jan 16, 2006 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
I appreciate that greatly.
"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on Jan 16, 2006 8:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

JAWS of 84
turns out to be a pretty precise dividing line for my gut sense of who should be in, regardless of position. I am surprised by how closely JAWS matches my instincts.

I think Darrell Evans is the only one who my gut would disagree on.

I was surprised that Reggie Smith and Fred McGriff come out so poorly. I would have expected them to be closer to the top. On the other hand, I was surprised at how well Brett Butler did.

Agree with the post above that this was a great piece.

Remembering watching most of the top half of each position both makes me feel old and realize how much the Veteran's committee moved many of the top RLW players from before me into Cooperstown.

by cdamon on Jan 16, 2006 10:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
The majority of the players at the top of each position are far better than the players the VC elected at any point.
"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on Jan 16, 2006 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we had used MVP Score...
instead of JAWS, Vaughn would have made the cut and Fairly, Daubert and Judge wouldn't have.

by Richard Wade on Jan 17, 2006 4:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'll see what I can do....
Thats definitely something I want to know now that you mention it.
"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on Jan 21, 2006 12:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Where's Willie McGee
He's roughly 8 points of JAWS behind the last centerfielder listed.

by Richard Wade on Jan 26, 2006 9:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

We use numbers and stuff.
Community Guidelines
Why be a member?
Start posting on Beyond the Box Score »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Leopold_butter_scotch_southpark_small
Using the TVC
Small
Determining Batted Ball Rates using Pitch Type and Location
Small
a new xBABIP calculator
Img587561916661595
Top 15 high school MLB draft prospects
Small
PZR-based Win Values 2001-2006
Small
The "30 parks on a budget" challenge
Sunflower_small
World Series Simulation, Game #6
Small
JT20 Dynasty League
E52205a2_small
New Look
Sth70021_small
Exploring Hit f/x, Albeit Badly

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Primer on BaseRuns
Cool Baseball Infographics
ESPN's Jerry Crasnick on defensive metrics
I’m also a follower, since Brian Bannister’s on our team, of sabermetric st...
Top Ten Baseball-Reference.com's Sponsorships
Primer on Linear Weights
JC Bradbury on "Hot Stove Myths"
Everyone Should Learn to Throw a Cutter
Criminals of WAR
Ten statisticians you should know about

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

BtB on Twitter

Main Feed: @BtBScore

Tommy B: @tommy_bennett
Sky: @BtB_Sky
Dan: @dturkenk
Harry: @harrypav
Jinaz: @jinazreds
Jack: @jh_moore
Erik: @Erik_Manning
Tommy R: @trancel
Justin: @justinbopp

Subscribe to BtB via Email

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner

BtB Goes Social


Managers

Nando_small R.J. Anderson

Limes_125_small Sky Kalkman

E52205a2_small Tommy Bennett

Editors

Face_small Harry Pavlidis

Rawlings_baseball_bigger_small Dan Turkenkopf

770insig_small Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal)

Aviles_small Justin Bopp

Authors

Banny_small erik

Raysring1_small Tommy Rancel

Jinaz-reds-avatar_small JinAZ

Jmlogo_small Jack Moore

1753738656_110919ebe9_o_small vivaelpujols

1_small Graham

Baseball_small Mike Rogers

Redcap_small SFiercex4

Small Patrick Clark

Walter_album_small Walter Fulbright