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A Question to the Readers / A Cry for Help

A long, long time ago, I can still remember...

OK, wrong opener.

A long, long time ago, I wrote an article about a system I created called EWP. EWP stood for "Earned Win Percentage," and what I did is assign a percentage to every type of pitcher's start, saying what percentage of a pitcher's starts would he win if he pitched a certain way.

For instance, 6 innings, 3 runs was worth 52.25%. 9 innings, 0 runs was worth 100%.

My methodology for deriving this stat, however, was crude and primitive. I failed to account for thirds of innings, just dropping them for the sake of simplicity.

A year later, I had a brainstorm with it: derive them by using probabilities!

I started with a list of the percentages of games that finished a certain way...

0 runs - 5.329%
1 run - 9.424%
2 runs - 12.428%
3 runs - 13.745%
4 runs - 12.346%
5 runs - 12.099%
6 runs - 9.156%
7 runs - 7.202%
8 runs - 5.576%
9 runs - 4.177%
10 runs - 3.066%
11 runs - 1.749%
12 runs - 1.193%
13 runs - 1.173%
14 runs - 0.473%
15 runs - 0.370%
16 runs - 0.247%
17+ runs - 0.247%

My goal with this was to figure out the probability of scoring a certain number of runs per each out. The vast majority of outs are achieved without any runs scoring.

I started my list with this:

0 runs / third inning = .05329^(1/27)

This worked, in my mind, because the only way to achieve a shutout (which happens slightly more than 5% of the time) was to get 27 straight outs without giving up a run. Hence the 1/27 exponent.

From there, you can get the 1 run / third inning value by noting that for 26 of the outs, no runs will score, and the only other time will get the proper probability.

This methodology produces negative probabilities at 4 and higher, so it essentially breaks down.

I don't know if this is the way to do it, but I do want to reexamine this. So my question / request is: can anyone derive the probabilities of scoring a certain number of runs in 1/3rd of an inning? There's a LOT that can be done with that data, starting with bullpen stats.

Thanks for your time.

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maybe WPA?(it's not Works Progress Administration)
I've been thinking about how to tackle this question since you posted it.

The first problem, is that 1/3 of an inning doesn't occur until an out is made.  Theoretically, any number of plate appearance could occur within 1/3 of an inning (though the occurence of PA's would diminish as the number gets higher).  

The second problem, is that the probability of scoring a run(s) in a given PA depends on the situation [runner(s) on 1st, 1st & 2nd, 1st and 3rd, 2nd, 2nd & 3rd, or 3rd].

I think John W's WPA may provide at least part of answer to this problem, but then again, I'm not sure.  

matty fred is a weblog.

by matty fred @ Beyond the Box Score on Aug 6, 2005 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

there's a lot that's been done on WPA
and I think it addresses all the issues you're thinking about.  If you go too lookout landing (the m's site) and click on the "what is this" link under one of their graphs, you'll get an article that does a good job of going over what's been done, and provides lots of links to the people who have done such things.
Daily Brewers Blog: BrewCrewBall.com

by jeffbcb @ Beyond the Box Score on Aug 8, 2005 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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